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Re: Teen Suicide Leads to Indictment of 9 Students

Postby Delilah » Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:58 am

Elessar wrote:Found it for you. It was here:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/phoebe-p ... 99566.html

That could have been LITERALLY anyone, of any age. There's absolutely no reason whatsoever to believe it was someone involved. The 'you' isn't necessarily directed at the girl who hanged herself - in fact, it appears to be the global 'you', and the point the poster seems to be making is that suicide is a sin - a belief many people would agree with.

Yeah, 'cyrano' is a bit of an idiot, but there's no reason to think they have anything to do with this case whatsoever.


Likely a young religious fundamentalist who hasn't experienced much of life yet. I also don't see any reason to think that this person knew the girl.
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Re: Teen Suicide Leads to Indictment of 9 Students

Postby Innuendoes » Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:58 am

Loretta wrote:
Innuendoes wrote:Go read what I posted above about the texting and Facebook posts.

So it was that that made you go look at the newspaper article? You read those facebook posts before you heard about the story?

Am I advocating bullying? Of course Im not. Am I advocating having the facts and not beleiving everything you read, sifting through the hyperbole and weeding out the actual importance? Hell fucking yes I am.


No. I doubt I can read them at this time. I'm sure the accounts are now all set on private or deleted.
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Re: Teen Suicide Leads to Indictment of 9 Students

Postby Loretta » Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:02 am

Innuendoes wrote:
No. I doubt I can read them at this time. I'm sure the accounts are now all set on private or deleted.

So, basically, the FACTS you know are that young people used facebook.
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Re: Teen Suicide Leads to Indictment of 9 Students

Postby Innuendoes » Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:03 am

I have an old high school friend who had a little girl. The girl was around 8 years old when some drunk semi tractor trailer driver drove his rig right through their house, pinning the girl in her closet and smashing her body flat. And dead.

For years and years, my friend and her husband were subjected to horrific phone bullying by the friends of the man who killed their daughter.

They had their phone number unlisted and still had to change it over and over. It got so bad that my friend's mother was even hesitant to give me her number, even though I had known the mother and daughter for over 15 years at that time. That was back when I was in high school and the family and friends of the man who killed her daughter STILL call, asking for that child on her birthday, call and make threats to my friend and her husband.

So, yea, it could very well be a friend of the persons who were charged.
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Re: Teen Suicide Leads to Indictment of 9 Students

Postby Innuendoes » Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:03 am

Loretta wrote:
Innuendoes wrote:
No. I doubt I can read them at this time. I'm sure the accounts are now all set on private or deleted.

So, basically, the FACTS you know are that young people used facebook.


Hey, I'll just shut up now, ok? Make you happy that way?
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Re: Teen Suicide Leads to Indictment of 9 Students

Postby Loretta » Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:12 am

Here is the article with as much hyperbole and irrelevant material, and every unsubstantiated fact removed (reporting "another newspaper said... " is not a substantiated fact)

Phoebe Prince hanged herself at home. Now, investigators have accused nine of her fellow students with the bullying that may have prompted the suicide.


The students named in the indictments are Sean Mulveyhill, 17; Kayla Narey, 17; Austin Renaud, 18; Ashley Longe; 16, Flannery Mullins, 16; and Sharon Chanon Velazquez, 16. Mulveyhill and Renaud were the only students charged with statutory rape.

Three other female students were also charged with crimes including assault with a dangerous weapon and violation of civil rights, but their names were not released.


Now, given these are the facts, what do we know really other than one person is dead, and 9 people are being charged with it?
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Re: Teen Suicide Leads to Indictment of 9 Students

Postby Loretta » Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:13 am

Innuendoes wrote:
Loretta wrote:
Innuendoes wrote:
No. I doubt I can read them at this time. I'm sure the accounts are now all set on private or deleted.

So, basically, the FACTS you know are that young people used facebook.


Hey, I'll just shut up now, ok? Make you happy that way?

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Re: Teen Suicide Leads to Indictment of 9 Students

Postby Loretta » Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:18 am

Oh fuck, I've turned into fd.
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Re: Teen Suicide Leads to Indictment of 9 Students

Postby Loretta » Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:37 am

Oh, actually, it did make me happy :-D
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Re: Teen Suicide Leads to Indictment of 9 Students

Postby Innuendoes » Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:39 am

Loretta wrote:
Innuendoes wrote:
No. I doubt I can read them at this time. I'm sure the accounts are now all set on private or deleted.

So, basically, the FACTS you know are that young people used facebook.



Phoebe Prince Facebook bullying | A psychiatrist’s view
By Steven Tarlow, your Phoebe Prince Facebook news sourceBuzz up!

Facebook is fun until somebody starts using it to stalk and bully someone until that person kills herself.
It got so bad that even on Facebook Phoebe Prince could find no peace. The “Mean Girls of South Hadley,” a group of teens from South Hadley High School in South Hadley, MA, bullied the 15-year-old Phoebe Prince mercilessly until she hanged herself. The teens have been brought up on charges, but that doesn’t replace a life. The Mean Girls made a point of ruining her online life as well as her physical life. Even after death, the Phoebe Prince Facebook page was defiled by the venom of the Mean Girls of South Hadley, reports Fox News. According to Dr. Keith Ablow, the Mean Girls could have gathered a great deal of information with which to terrorize Phoebe Prince, including but not limited to her sensitive nature and malleable sense of self.

Phoebe Prince, Facebook and predators
As Dr. Ablow suggests, people who fit the standard profile of a bully can quickly detect a weakness in their prey, as they did with the Phoebe Prince Facebook. Such bullies are fueled by a need to tear down others, so they quickly develop the ability to find their openings with bitter efficiency.

Being a teenager is difficult for anyone, but for a girl like Phoebe Prince, who was both pretty and unsure of her place in the world, it is particularly difficult. While millions would give anything to be good looking, the reality as Dr. Ablow has observed is that if a teens lack confidence, being attractive can make them targets, rather than popular. Bands of bullies look to tear down people whom they feel do not have the defenses to mount resistance.

Hating was the Mean Girls’ drug, suggests Dr. Ablow
“Dehumanizing her had to have been intoxicating,” he told Fox. Otherwise, what would have been the point? Gleaning information from the Phoebe Prince Facebook was a means to an end – in this case, a high, says Ablow. Considering how widespread social media like Facebook are today, it’s easy to see how dangerous sensitive personal information can be in the wrong hands. Not only can identity theft issues arise and destroy credit, but as in the case of the Phoebe Prince Facebook, it can destroy the psyche.

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Re: Teen Suicide Leads to Indictment of 9 Students

Postby Innuendoes » Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:42 am

Phoebe Prince Facebook: What Can Be Done To Stop Cyberbullying?
Share: by Jon Azpiri | March 30, 2010 at 02:52 pm

The Phoebe Prince Facebook Story Has Brought Attention To the Topic of Cyberbullying. Unfortunately, the Phoebe Prince Story Is Not Unique. Some Are Trying To Find a Solution

Parents across the US have been horrified by the details of the Phoebe Prince Facebook Bullying case. Nine teenagers have been charged in the death of Phoebe Prince. The teenager, who was born in Ireland, committed suicide after being bullied online and in person by several of her classmates at South Hadley High School.

Alexis Pilkington Suicide Linked to Cyberbullying?
Phoebe Prince Facebook Bullying

Much of the bullying took place on Phoebe Prince's Facebook page. Classmates posted nasty messages to Prince via the social networking site.

Alexis Pilkington: Another Phoebe Prince?

Unfortunately, The Phoebe Prince Facebook story is not an isolated incident.

On March 21, New York teen Alexis Pilkington committed suicide. Several reports stated that the death of Alexis Pilkington may have stemmed from cyberbullying. The popular teen, who played soccer at West Islip, was the victim of vicious comments on various social networking sites. The comments continued after her death.

There have other examples of post-mortem bullying online. In February, Facebook pages set up for two recently murdered children--Trinity Bates and Elliott Fletcher--were bombarded with obscenities and pornography.

Such stories are grabbing the attention of parents and lawmakers who are thinking of ways to prevent future Phoebe Prince Facebook stories.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/phoebe-p ... 99018.html
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Re: Teen Suicide Leads to Indictment of 9 Students

Postby Loretta » Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:50 am

Sorry inny, you were absolutely right to quote me there. My bad. If only I had read someone elses unsunbstantiated blog before I had posted my disgust for the lack of fact, I would have never said what I did. I'd hang my head in shame, but that would be terribly distasteful given the only actual fact we know about this case.
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Re: Teen Suicide Leads to Indictment of 9 Students

Postby Innuendoes » Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:57 am

Loretta wrote:Sorry inny, you were absolutely right to quote me there. My bad. If only I had read someone elses unsunbstantiated blog before I had posted my disgust for the lack of fact, I would have never said what I did. I'd hang my head in shame, but that would be terribly distasteful given the only actual fact we know about this case.

Read this.

The Mind of the News: The Broken Bullies Who Drove Phoebe Prince to Suicide
Tuesday, March 30, 2010
By Dr. Keith Ablow


I have a feeling this doctor knows more about this than you do and I have no doubt in my mind, Facebook was used to bully this girl.

You will have to look up that sentence to find the url of the article because my browser just crashed and I can't copy the url.
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Re: Teen Suicide Leads to Indictment of 9 Students

Postby Loretta » Thu Apr 01, 2010 4:04 am

Innuendoes wrote:
Loretta wrote:Sorry inny, you were absolutely right to quote me there. My bad. If only I had read someone elses unsunbstantiated blog before I had posted my disgust for the lack of fact, I would have never said what I did. I'd hang my head in shame, but that would be terribly distasteful given the only actual fact we know about this case.

Read this.

The Mind of the News: The Broken Bullies Who Drove Phoebe Prince to Suicide
Tuesday, March 30, 2010
By Dr. Keith Ablow


I have a feeling this doctor knows more about this than you do and I have no doubt in my mind, Facebook was used to bully this girl.

You will have to look up that sentence to find the url of the article because my browser just crashed and I can't copy the url.

I don't need to look it up to know that this is the doctor's opinion. Whether he knows more about the particular aspect of the subject he will no doubt be focusing on than me is completely irrelevant. I had a friend who committed suicide, so I think I know more about the subject than you. That doesn't make me right, it just makes it irrelevant to the actual facts. For all we actually know, Pheobe might have been a total cunt who we are all better off for her not being on the planet. We do not know. And that is my whole point. The article you originally posted named the possibly innocent people who are now eternally fucked. And THAT is what i have a problem with.
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Re: Teen Suicide Leads to Indictment of 9 Students

Postby Broooklyn » Thu Apr 01, 2010 4:11 am

Loretta wrote: we are all better off for her not being on the planet.


:shock: So what you are saying is that you are glad phoebe is dead??
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