Freddie Mercury ITV Docudrama - The Great Pretender

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Re: Freddie Mercury ITV Docudrama - The Great Pretender

Postby Kes » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:22 pm

They had a few talking heads you HAVE to take seriously.

The ones I have a lot of time for, and would definitely listen to what they said...

Peter Straker - REALLY good friend of Freddie's, and about most of the time whenever Freddie partied in London.
Ratty - Literally Freddie's very own personal roadie, being the bloke who possibly handed Freddie his roaming microphone a few thousand times, and tuned his piano for him.
Terry Giddings - Quite possibly the person most in contact with Freddie from The Works onwards, right until the end.
Mack - Probably the funniest German alive. Virtually everything I've ever heard him say, has me in stitches.

The ones I'm not so sure about...

Paul Gambacinni.
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Re: Freddie Mercury ITV Docudrama - The Great Pretender

Postby WeeMann » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:26 pm

Kes wrote:The doctor who wasn't Gordon Atkinson


To be fair, he was there as an expert on the progress of HIV and AIDS, not on Freddie.
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Re: Freddie Mercury ITV Docudrama - The Great Pretender

Postby Elessar » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:30 pm

WeeMann wrote:
Kes wrote:The doctor who wasn't Gordon Atkinson


To be fair, he was there as an expert on the progress of HIV and AIDS, not on Freddie.


I haven't seen it yet so I don't know who they got, but if they want his actual specialists, that would be Brian Gazzard and Graeme Moyle. They'd be in a far better position than the guy who picked up the ash cash.
 
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Re: Freddie Mercury ITV Docudrama - The Great Pretender

Postby Kes » Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:12 pm

Think it was Graeme Moyle.
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Re: Freddie Mercury ITV Docudrama - The Great Pretender

Postby Elessar » Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:17 pm

Kes wrote:Think it was Graeme Moyle.


Blond, mid-50s, confusing accent?

He actually gets a name-check in Jim Hutton's book.
 
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Re: Freddie Mercury ITV Docudrama - The Great Pretender

Postby ultrasoundz » Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:47 pm

Just watched it on catch up although presume we are talking about the Channel 5 production, 'Who Wants To Live Forever', right?

Equal parts eye rolling and eye popping. The sheer lack of attention to detail at times was nothing short of astonishing. Could the producers not even have invested in a Red Special for the backstage tune up?! The band members (other than Freddie) looked and behaved almost nothing like their real life counterparts — the 'Brian' was downright laughable — and, as others have already said, the lack of acknowledgement of the music was hugely deflating. To Freddie I'm 100% sure his work with Monserrat was of far greater significance than The Great Pretender ...although the latter is an easier soundbite to build a narrative around. Having obviously been denied usage of official Queen material, the bad knock off 'standard rock soundtrack' (TM) gave the whole thing the feel of a grimy hacked tabloid newspaper piece.

However the one huge point in the show's favour was John Blunt, whose portrayal of Freddie was absolutely wonderful both in his look and his mannerisms, even at a very micro level. And I have to say it's refreshing to see a side of Queen (no matter how inaccurate factually) that at least acknowledges they weren't saints and strays off the usual tightly controlled Queen Productions party line. In a weird way some of it really felt how life felt in the mid 80s, before Queen were 'cool' and when they were perceived by most as just another big band of a bygone era fighting for airspace.

All this points to my firm feeling that the Freddie film, were it to ever happen, really would have done well with Sacha at the helm, willing to take risks and offend and with a production team that actually cared about getting the details (and cast) right.

This wasn't it but highlights the potential of what could have been a very moving movie.
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Re: Freddie Mercury ITV Docudrama - The Great Pretender

Postby WeeMann » Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:48 pm

Elessar wrote:
Kes wrote:Think it was Graeme Moyle.


Blond, mid-50s, confusing accent?

He actually gets a name-check in Jim Hutton's book.


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Re: Freddie Mercury ITV Docudrama - The Great Pretender

Postby cmsdrums » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:13 am

Elessar wrote:
WeeMann wrote:
Kes wrote:The doctor who wasn't Gordon Atkinson


To be fair, he was there as an expert on the progress of HIV and AIDS, not on Freddie.


I haven't seen it yet so I don't know who they got, but if they want his actual specialists, that would be Brian Gazzard and Graeme Moyle. They'd be in a far better position than the guy who picked up the ash cash.



It was Graeme Moyle. He didn't once refer to Freddie or his specific condition but spoke generally about HIV and AIDS so kept his professional dignity. Was very interesting to hear his detail on timelines which all pointed to Freddie catching the diseas approx. 8-10 years before he died, so pointing to the US rather than Munich.
 
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Re: Freddie Mercury ITV Docudrama - The Great Pretender

Postby eiricd » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:46 pm

watching it now...I think people need to take a breath and remember what this is; a low budget production with NO intent on shedding light on the musician Freddie Mercury.

Now, if you don't like these sides of Freddie portraied - that's fair enough. Hell, Freddie would most likely hate for it to be on public display, even after all these years. My point is; if that does not sit well with you, then you're not going to like this one, or ANYTHING similiar. And again - fair play!

For me, it tells a BIT more of the story than we're ever going to get from an official product. Freddie was no saint, and while I would never "endorse" his lifestyle and I have a strong point of view when it comes to drugs etc, I feel it's necessary to address it, in order to paint a more complete picture of the man. In order to do that, you have to include some of the things that make some people uncomfortable.
He was a complex character with many sides to him, all of which went into his music. without the music, we wouldn't be here on this board.
This is also why I like alot of the stuff in Jim Hutton's book, in Freestone's book, etc - it tells a more complete story of the man behind the music. The man continues to intrigue me, and that's why I sit through YET another low budget production, and that's why I read YET another interview with someone like Freestone, Straker, Moran...hopefully to pick up some little minutia which further completes the picture I have of him.

About the film itself; the low budget I guess is the reason for awful wigs, the wrong guitar, (and the wrong Brian!) and for the most part, the horrible acting. The guy playing Freddie though, for someone without acting experience, he really impressed me. He had so much of the mannerism down, and at times he sounded very much like Freddie. Not to mention, he looked ALOT like him, especially the 80s version. Well done, I say! I hope he gets these positive feedbacks, and not just the criticism.

So...could there at one point be a documentary that shows BOTH the man, and the rock star Freddie Mercury? Unless they go for a 4 hr feature ala Tom Petty's Runnin down a dream, or The Eagles perhaps...I don't think so. Until they decide to do (which they won't...), we need to gather the bits worth keeping from a various selection of unofficial documentaries. And IMO, this one on Channel 5, did have some bits that were worthwhile.
 
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Re: Freddie Mercury ITV Docudrama - The Great Pretender

Postby musicalprostitute » Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:23 pm

Brian has stated on his soapbox that they were aware of this shitty documentary for six months now and politely asked Channel 5 to 'bin it'. Why have Queenonline (the official site of Queen) been advertising it all this time then? Just seems odd.
 
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Re: Freddie Mercury ITV Docudrama - The Great Pretender

Postby Action This Day » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:56 pm

In Freddie's own words: 'Spare him his life from this monstrosity'
 
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Re: Freddie Mercury ITV Docudrama - The Great Pretender

Postby Action This Day » Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:07 pm

Seriously though there were some good parts. John Blunt's portrayal of Freddie was at times uncanny, doing the teeth-covering hand gesture and licking the front of his teeth with his tongue, classic Freddie mannerisms. The less said about the other band members the better, Deaky's ginger perm, Brian's nose and Roger's deep voice all had me in stitches.

The constant fascination with Freddie's sexuality and drug-taking are very tiresome now. He was a famous, rich, good-looking gay man who had easy access to sex and drugs and enjoyed both. Big deal.

A full proper Queen biopic right from the early days to Freddie's death would be awesome but Brian seems to want to spend large parts of the movie showing what the band did after Freddie, which nobody cares about. Everyone knows what Queen did after Freddie's death, Brian. They sold out.
 
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Re: Freddie Mercury ITV Docudrama - The Great Pretender

Postby icy » Fri Nov 25, 2016 12:32 am

musicalprostitute wrote:Brian has stated on his soapbox that they were aware of this shitty documentary for six months now and politely asked Channel 5 to 'bin it'. Why have Queenonline (the official site of Queen) been advertising it all this time then? Just seems odd.

Very puzzling :shock:
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Re: Freddie Mercury ITV Docudrama - The Great Pretender

Postby JLP » Fri Nov 25, 2016 12:37 am

Was it advertised on the main site? Or just in this thread?
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Re: Freddie Mercury ITV Docudrama - The Great Pretender

Postby Cruella Deville » Fri Nov 25, 2016 3:57 am

Yes, I forced myself to watch it on you tube. It must be said that the actor portraying Freddie did a good job, but that is just about where it stops. Every time that Gambaccini guy comes on I just want to puke. And as for Lesley what ever her name is referring to Fred as 'dead' or a skeleton in The Days of Our Lives video just adds to the lack of credibility that she might think she falsely deserves.
 
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