The Show Must Go On documentary on Netflix in the UK

Discuss Queen's collaboration with Adam Lambert
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Black Wings wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:26 pm
whitequeen20 wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:15 pm
JLP wrote:
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200 shows and his solo career has not taken off. Says it all. People are going to listen to and watch Queen songs. You could put anyone on stage with Brian and Roger and people would go. Lambert might be a good fit, even the best available but that does not mean people go, watch and then go home and buy his music.
Queen fans tend to want Queen music, even Brian, Roger and Freddie didn't have great solo success and they are Queen so I wouldn't expect loads of people to go and buy his music but some are checking it out and it gets a boost every time he does any appearance so his solo career is doing fine, he's not trying to be a Bieber or Swift. They weren't as successful with Paul so I doubt you could put just anyone on stage and have the same success.
Social Media was in its early days in the Q+PR era. That played a factor in many things.
Yea, good thing AL isn't trying to be Bieber or Swift, not that he ever could be at this stage and especially since he has put Q+AL first. Again, that was the choice he made and still has made. Go on, check the amount of shows he has done for Q+AL than his solo shows.
What makes you think they weren't successful with PR? Because it didn't last as long as Q+AL has, or it didn't fill as many seats for years on end?
Solo shows 186 plus the shows he did around Nov/Dec in the US. He would have had his latest album out a lot sooner if not for all the business BS he had to deal with and would likely have already toured it since he only did two months with B & R but everything got held up.

In the US especially their shows with Paul weren't anywhere near full.

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whitequeen20 wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:27 pm
Black Wings wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:19 pm
JLP wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:08 pm


200 shows and his solo career has not taken off. Says it all. People are going to listen to and watch Queen songs. You could put anyone on stage with Brian and Roger and people would go. Lambert might be a good fit, even the best available but that does not mean people go, watch and then go home and buy his music.
You know what says it all to me if I may say so. The fact AL could not keep two record companies even with touring with Brian and Roger. He had issues with RCA because he didn't want to do an 80's cover album. But he has toured with Brian and Roger for nearly a decade, singing covers. And that is what he's known for, covers more than his own music.
Thus documentary has given AL a slight push in streams, but will it last? Likely not.
Adam left the record companies because he was tired of being told how to be instead of just being allowed to be himself, that's not the same as not being able to keep them and why would he want to do an 80's new wave covers album? Touring WITH B & R as the frontman for QAL is nothing like doing an 80's cover album of songs you have no interest in and then being expected to tour that with your own backing band when what you want to do is your own music. With the QAL thing he gets to do both, they tour a few months here and there and he's free to do his own thing in between. And he's not known more for covers at all he's done plenty of his own music on shows as well but most artists do some covers, doing them when you want for a reason is very different than being made to record them.
How long has he been singing Queen songs now? Nearly a decade. He didn't want to do an 80's cover album, but he decided to tour with Brian and Roger for this long? OK then.
Think of all the attention and press he's gotten the past few years, it mostly due to him singing cover songs. Heck, he sang Mad World just days ago.
I think this year is a big wake up call for AL. Good for him for starts his foundation and being so outspoken, but his album didn't do much. Nor will this documentary do much but to give him a temporary boost.

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whitequeen20 wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:36 pm
Black Wings wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:26 pm
whitequeen20 wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:15 pm


Queen fans tend to want Queen music, even Brian, Roger and Freddie didn't have great solo success and they are Queen so I wouldn't expect loads of people to go and buy his music but some are checking it out and it gets a boost every time he does any appearance so his solo career is doing fine, he's not trying to be a Bieber or Swift. They weren't as successful with Paul so I doubt you could put just anyone on stage and have the same success.
Social Media was in its early days in the Q+PR era. That played a factor in many things.
Yea, good thing AL isn't trying to be Bieber or Swift, not that he ever could be at this stage and especially since he has put Q+AL first. Again, that was the choice he made and still has made. Go on, check the amount of shows he has done for Q+AL than his solo shows.
What makes you think they weren't successful with PR? Because it didn't last as long as Q+AL has, or it didn't fill as many seats for years on end?
Solo shows 186 plus the shows he did around Nov/Dec in the US. He would have had his latest album out a lot sooner if not for all the business BS he had to deal with and would likely have already toured it since he only did two months with B & R but everything got held up.

In the US especially their shows with Paul weren't anywhere near full.
Business bs, ok then. I doubt there would have been more solo shows by AL. I doubt he would have had the fan base to pull off solo tour after tour. Was all the solo shows of his sold out, somehow I doubt it.
So what if in the Q+PR shows weren't anywhere near full? Again, it was a different time back then. Hell, I joined QOL in the midst of Q+PR. Ithe was nothing like how it is for Q+AL that's for sure.

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Black Wings wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:38 pm
whitequeen20 wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:27 pm
Black Wings wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:19 pm


You know what says it all to me if I may say so. The fact AL could not keep two record companies even with touring with Brian and Roger. He had issues with RCA because he didn't want to do an 80's cover album. But he has toured with Brian and Roger for nearly a decade, singing covers. And that is what he's known for, covers more than his own music.
Thus documentary has given AL a slight push in streams, but will it last? Likely not.
Adam left the record companies because he was tired of being told how to be instead of just being allowed to be himself, that's not the same as not being able to keep them and why would he want to do an 80's new wave covers album? Touring WITH B & R as the frontman for QAL is nothing like doing an 80's cover album of songs you have no interest in and then being expected to tour that with your own backing band when what you want to do is your own music. With the QAL thing he gets to do both, they tour a few months here and there and he's free to do his own thing in between. And he's not known more for covers at all he's done plenty of his own music on shows as well but most artists do some covers, doing them when you want for a reason is very different than being made to record them.
How long has he been singing Queen songs now? Nearly a decade. He didn't want to do an 80's cover album, but he decided to tour with Brian and Roger for this long? OK then.
Think of all the attention and press he's gotten the past few years, it mostly due to him singing cover songs. Heck, he sang Mad World just days ago.
I think this year is a big wake up call for AL. Good for him for starts his foundation and being so outspoken, but his album didn't do much. Nor will this documentary do much but to give him a temporary boost.
Like I just said there's a huge difference between touring as the frontman of QAL singing some of the most iconic music ever written and doing an 80's cover album (that's recording in a studio not touring live) of new wave music from the 80's, he doesn't even like most new wave music so why would he want to record it? Surely you can see the huge difference in that.

So he sang Mad World, it is very much a mad world at the moment so it's very fitting. He's done his own songs on various things recently as well so no it's not all cover that he does.

His album was released just as lockdown started and all the promo was pulled so not sure how it was expected to do that well but for an indie it did well enough, it charted in the UK and moves up and down depending on when he does appearances.

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Black Wings wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:44 pm
whitequeen20 wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:36 pm
Black Wings wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:26 pm


Social Media was in its early days in the Q+PR era. That played a factor in many things.
Yea, good thing AL isn't trying to be Bieber or Swift, not that he ever could be at this stage and especially since he has put Q+AL first. Again, that was the choice he made and still has made. Go on, check the amount of shows he has done for Q+AL than his solo shows.
What makes you think they weren't successful with PR? Because it didn't last as long as Q+AL has, or it didn't fill as many seats for years on end?
Solo shows 186 plus the shows he did around Nov/Dec in the US. He would have had his latest album out a lot sooner if not for all the business BS he had to deal with and would likely have already toured it since he only did two months with B & R but everything got held up.

In the US especially their shows with Paul weren't anywhere near full.
Business bs, ok then. I doubt there would have been more solo shows by AL. I doubt he would have had the fan base to pull off solo tour after tour. Was all the solo shows of his sold out, somehow I doubt it.
So what if in the Q+PR shows weren't anywhere near full? Again, it was a different time back then. Hell, I joined QOL in the midst of Q+PR. Ithe was nothing like how it is for Q+AL that's for sure.
He already had the tour booked so how can you say he wouldn't have been touring? The people going to his shows this year would have gone last year if he'd toured then, he has fans who've been waiting for a solo tour for ages so of course he would have toured.

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whitequeen20 wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:53 pm
Black Wings wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:44 pm
whitequeen20 wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:36 pm


Solo shows 186 plus the shows he did around Nov/Dec in the US. He would have had his latest album out a lot sooner if not for all the business BS he had to deal with and would likely have already toured it since he only did two months with B & R but everything got held up.

In the US especially their shows with Paul weren't anywhere near full.
Business bs, ok then. I doubt there would have been more solo shows by AL. I doubt he would have had the fan base to pull off solo tour after tour. Was all the solo shows of his sold out, somehow I doubt it.
So what if in the Q+PR shows weren't anywhere near full? Again, it was a different time back then. Hell, I joined QOL in the midst of Q+PR. Ithe was nothing like how it is for Q+AL that's for sure.
He already had the tour booked so how can you say he wouldn't have been touring? The people going to his shows this year would have gone last year if he'd toured then, he has fans who've been waiting for a solo tour for ages so of course he would have toured.
AL having the tour booked was no guarantee it would go ahead, especially with the way things are this year. AL didn't have much of a tour with TOH, and that was the last solo tour he has done, and IIRC, that one wasn't a long one, although he promised more shows that didn't go ahead.
So there's that.

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Adam’s last album before “Velvet” was released in 2015. This was supposed to be the year he was going to be able to really promote his solo work again. The thing about Adam is that when he performs his solo music LIVE it sounds completely different than the recorded version. I call him a chameleon because he interprets music, his own and others, different every time it is performed.

He doesn’t have 12 Grammys like some others and you will call me crazy, but IMHO if nothing else, he will be remembered for his unbelievable and amazing rendition of Cher’s “Believe” at the Kennedy Center Honors program in 2019.

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Black Wings wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:58 pm
whitequeen20 wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:53 pm
Black Wings wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:44 pm


Business bs, ok then. I doubt there would have been more solo shows by AL. I doubt he would have had the fan base to pull off solo tour after tour. Was all the solo shows of his sold out, somehow I doubt it.
So what if in the Q+PR shows weren't anywhere near full? Again, it was a different time back then. Hell, I joined QOL in the midst of Q+PR. Ithe was nothing like how it is for Q+AL that's for sure.
He already had the tour booked so how can you say he wouldn't have been touring? The people going to his shows this year would have gone last year if he'd toured then, he has fans who've been waiting for a solo tour for ages so of course he would have toured.
AL having the tour booked was no guarantee it would go ahead, especially with the way things are this year. AL didn't have much of a tour with TOH, and that was the last solo tour he has done, and IIRC, that one wasn't a long one, although he promised more shows that didn't go ahead.
So there's that.
He has plenty fans who are dying to see him live solo so his tour would have gone ahead and he had the rest of the dates to announce with the Xtina part of the US tour but obviously the whole thing got pulled, that's nothing to do with Adam it's just how things worked out.

TOH tour was 57 shows including Australia, NZ, Dubai, Asia, North America and Europe so it wasn't that short, Dec 2015 - May 2016 and the QAL festival tour started May 2016 so I doubt he had any more shows lined up that didn't happen.

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carolb57 wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:05 pm
Adam’s last album before “Velvet” was released in 2015. This was supposed to be the year he was going to be able to really promote his solo work again. The thing about Adam is that when he performs his solo music LIVE it sounds completely different than the recorded version. I call him a chameleon because he interprets music, his own and others, different every time it is performed.

He doesn’t have 12 Grammys like some others and you will call me crazy, but IMHO if nothing else, he will be remembered for his unbelievable and amazing rendition of Cher’s “Believe” at the Kennedy Center Honors program in 2019.
Yep, five years ago give or take. In the breaks between Q+AL tours, could he have done mini tours? Sure, but he didn't do that.
I looked it up his TOH tour was longer than I thought, but that's the last solo tour he did. A few Q+AL tours in the meantime. That does tell me he has put Q+AL first.
Why are you bringing up Grammy's?
AL will be known as a cover singer from what I can tell. Not any song in particular, but a cover singer.

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whitequeen20, does the 186 solo shows you mentioned include the 100+ shows he did in 2010 for the Glam Nation Tour? That’s the tour where I nearly fainted when I drove around the corner and saw his tour bus! :lol:

I was a real teeny bopper back then! 8-)

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