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Re: If wearing masks were mandatory, would you wear one?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:52 pm
by JLP
Kes wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:16 pm Let me put it this way. Let's say, hypotheitically, I have an overwelming pathological desire to get a masters degree in astro-physics. It means the f*cking world to me. Should I get a free university course?

No, I am what I am, and just have to accept it, unless I can enable myself to be what I want to be.

It's OK for you young f*ckers, your starting reference point in your beliefs, is in a different place to mine. I'm able to adapt from those values instilled in my childhood, but only so far, I'm sorry to say.
I might have told this before but when I was 16, I wanted to go into banking or be an accountant. I had a place at Loughborough University lined up but could not go as my old man refused to fill in the grant forms.

Of course things worked out well but I sometimes wonder what would have happened if those forms had been filled in.

I made sure my two offspring went to Uni like they wanted to.

Re: If wearing masks were mandatory, would you wear one?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:26 pm
by Kes
The statues argument.

By having these statues all over the place, are they based on historical people who achieved both good and bad, on these islands over thousands of years, or should they be there to represent the current population?

Prior to about 1950 and the Windrush generation, BAME people's history track from other countries, not neccessarily these shores. It might be all very well having a statue of Nelson Mandela in London, but what did he ever do here? Surely, you're better off making sure the places where these people made history, are accomodating that fact.

But no, we have a bandwagon that suggests the modern day population gets fairly represented, even though it says sod all about the ground we walk on.

What can I liken it to? Me moving out to Barbados, and fifty years later, my kids wanting a statue of William the Conqueror erected in the middle of Bridgetown. It's just plain crazy.

I hold neither left wing or right wing views on the topic, and am just trying to see things for what they really are. The scales need to be rebalanced, yes, but not swung completely the opposite way, just because of political correctness.

Re: If wearing masks were mandatory, would you wear one?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:53 pm
by JLP
Lockdown being tightened across parts of Northern England and Hancock is saying it is because people are not following the rules.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53602362

Didn't I say that is what would happen a day or two ago?

Re: If wearing masks were mandatory, would you wear one?

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:36 pm
by fairydandy
JLP wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:53 pm Lockdown being tightened across parts of Northern England and Hancock is saying it is because people are not following the rules.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53602362

Didn't I say that is what would happen a day or two ago?
Not the most difficult of predictions was it? Of course the infection rate will go up as restrictions are removed.

We can’t beat this thing until a vaccine is found. All we can do is minimise the dsaths, but we can't lockdown forever.

Re: If wearing masks were mandatory, would you wear one?

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:58 pm
by JLP
fairydandy wrote: Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:36 pm
JLP wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:53 pm Lockdown being tightened across parts of Northern England and Hancock is saying it is because people are not following the rules.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53602362

Didn't I say that is what would happen a day or two ago?
Not the most difficult of predictions was it? Of course the infection rate will go up as restrictions are removed.

We can’t beat this thing until a vaccine is found. All we can do is minimise the dsaths, but we can't lockdown forever.
The guidelines are stupid though. Stay 2 metres apart unless not possible and then use your common sense. They want the police to enforce the wearing of masks. Where are the resources coming from.

Apparently the police have been in some shops giving out forms which state that shop staff should ring the non emergency number if a customer is not wearing a mask. Fuck that for a game of soldiers.

Re: If wearing masks were mandatory, would you wear one?

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:47 pm
by fairydandy
JLP wrote: Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:58 pm

The guidelines are stupid though. Stay 2 metres apart unless not possible and then use your common sense. They want the police to enforce the wearing of masks. Where are the resources coming from.

Apparently the police have been in some shops giving out forms which state that shop staff should ring the non emergency number if a customer is not wearing a mask. Fuck that for a game of soldiers.
I was reading about Spanish Flu the other day, now that was frightening. Alive at breakfast, blue and dead by teatime!

I definitely do have a very blasé attitude about it all, I admit it. It's 36 degrees outside and ok, it's only for one day until the usual ridiculous British summer returns, but masks, restrictions, lockdowns, no, really, just fuck off. Am I joking...I'm not sure I am. :shock:

Re: If wearing masks were mandatory, would you wear one?

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:55 pm
by JLP
The guidelines for the North say you cannot visit another household but you can go to the public. But only with members of your own household. How the fuck does that work?

Re: If wearing masks were mandatory, would you wear one?

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:07 pm
by fairydandy
JLP wrote: Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:55 pm The guidelines for the North say you cannot visit another household but you can go to the public. But only with members of your own household. How the fuck does that work?
No one is taking notice anymore are they? I have no idea about these restrictions, I don't think many people do.

Re: If wearing masks were mandatory, would you wear one?

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:35 am
by Generic username
If it's too difficult for people, they should simplify for themselves instead of digging in to small print to find contradictions, just so they can triumphantly announce that this is a bad situation.

Of course it's a bad situation, but it's also an impossible one. Open up the economy while keeping people safe from something that would probably kill millions if the economy was open in the way it used to be, and support all those affected by the ways in which the economy necessarily changes.

That is not to suggest that any government has got it right - most have merely got it less wrong at varying times. All we can do as individuals is try to move forwards in as positive and considerate way as we can.

Personally, I wear a mask where there's a crowd. It reassures people that I'm not a weirdo, or a conspiracy theorist. (Oddly, 12 months ago, it would have proved the opposite!) That doesn't make me a slave to our Chinese overlords, or an unthinking sheep. It just means that I recognise that if enough of us do so, there will probably be a lowering of the transmission rate as we all start circulating more. If THAT is too complicated, then just stay at home.

I don't see all this "it wasn't needed two months ago, why now" rhetoric as helpful - this is clearly an evolving situation, and there will always be cutoffs and cutovers - there was a lot less whining about the beaches being opened suddenly instead of gradually.

We've very quickly lost the degree of "Dunkirk spirit" that was being lauded back in April (in the UK), now that it's sunny and we're (as a society) bored of having limitations that we've not had before. And in my opinion, that will make the second (continued first?) wave this winter quite spectacular.

Live long and prosper. 🖖

Re: If wearing masks were mandatory, would you wear one?

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:56 pm
by fairydandy
An excellent, intelligent post, hard to argue against.

I should care more about this virus, I know I should, because deep down I am a caring sort of a person, but the reality is that I just don't, I have to be honest here. Maybe if it struck closer to home I would care more, but right now it doesn't mean much to me.

I think if those happy-clapping days for the NHS workers return I will simply kill myself. It wasn't real, it had a touch of reality TV about it somehow.