Queen's Sales and Charts

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Re: Queen's Sales and Charts

Postby Hernán » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:40 am

Also, according to MJD's sales numbers, Queen are the very best selling album act ever in Europe as a whole, tied with Michael Jackson and a good 5 million above The Beatles:

Queen – 91,245,000
Michael Jackson – 90,730,000
The Beatles – 86,230,000
Pink Floyd – 80,780,000
Madonna – 79,330,000

In the UK, Queen are at 26,700,000 albums sold, whilst The Beatles 33,100,000, some 6 million above. But Queen totally outsold The Beatles in the other European countries, including Germany, Italy, Spain, Netherlands, Switzerland, Austria, Belgium, Poland, Portugal, Finland and others.
 
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Re: Queen's Sales and Charts

Postby Loris1985 » Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:34 pm

Hernán, you're highlighting a very important fact: Queen are the most selling artists in Europe, even ahead of Michael Jackson and The Beatles. Really a huge result! In the markets you've cited, Queen have always been better than The Beatles. In some of which, Queen are even the best sellers or into the top-three. In Italy they are only second to Pink Floyd. I think that, excluding North America where Fab Four are massively ahead, there's a huge competition between Queen and The Beatles in the other continents as to albums. As to digital singles, the United States are the main market for Queen and they compete both with Michael Jackson ans The Beatles for the leadership. According to MJDangerous, Queen might surpass Madonna very soon. But when he analyses Elvis Presley and Elton John, I think they will probably ahead of Queen in his CSPC list.
 
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Re: Queen's Sales and Charts

Postby Hernán » Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:13 pm

Thank you, Loris.

I pretty much agree with everything you said. Over the past 2 years, I have suggested -more than once- that Queen aren't really that far behind The Beatles outside the English speaking countries, notably USA, of course. And these days Queen do really sell more than The Beatles outside North America/other English speaking countries, to be honest.

The interesting thing about Italy is that, if we add their various box sets to the individual albums (especially Greatest Hits I & II and Platinum Collection added to the individual hits compilations), then Queen get ridiculously closer to Pink Floyd. It would be something like 10.3 million for Pink Floyd and 9.9 million for Queen.

And with equivalent albums sales coming from music videos, physical singles, digital downloads and streaming, Queen are potentially slightly bigger, believe it or not.
 
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Re: Queen's Sales and Charts

Postby slightlymad1970 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:02 pm

Does anyone know where the sales for the re-issue of NOTW will be allocated? We already know that the picture disc has sold 1977 copies and surely the box set should add at least another 500 or so. So if these sales of an estimated 2,500 copies are given as UK sales then the album should chart inside the Top50!

We'll have to wait until next Friday to see unless someone can shed some light on the matter ;-)
 
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Re: Queen's Sales and Charts

Postby rockfizzy-o » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:12 pm

Some more RIAA certifications in the US last week:

Another One Bites The Dust: 4 times platinum

Bohemian rhapsody: 6 times platinum

Earlier this year the RIAA certified We Will Rock You (4 times platinum), Don't Stop Me Now (platinum) and Crazy Little Thing Called Love (platinum).
 
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Re: Queen's Sales and Charts

Postby Loris1985 » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:10 pm

rockfizzy-o wrote:Some more RIAA certifications in the US last week:

Another One Bites The Dust: 4 times platinum

Bohemian rhapsody: 6 times platinum

Earlier this year the RIAA certified We Will Rock You (4 times platinum), Don't Stop Me Now (platinum) and Crazy Little Thing Called Love (platinum).


That's a great result! I thought Bohemian Rhapsody would be certified 5 times Platinum, but 6 Platinums is impressive. This is surely thanks to the streaming market, which adds about 1,500,000 units, as it has sold almost 4,500,000 downloads. I also thought Another One Bites The Dust had only three Platinums. This proves Queen have a great audience among the young generations, who are the main users of the digital markets.
 
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Re: Queen's Sales and Charts

Postby slightlymad1970 » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:33 pm

Loris1985 wrote:
rockfizzy-o wrote:Some more RIAA certifications in the US last week:

Another One Bites The Dust: 4 times platinum

Bohemian rhapsody: 6 times platinum

Earlier this year the RIAA certified We Will Rock You (4 times platinum), Don't Stop Me Now (platinum) and Crazy Little Thing Called Love (platinum).


That's a great result! I thought Bohemian Rhapsody would be certified 5 times Platinum, but 6 Platinums is impressive. This is surely thanks to the streaming market, which adds about 1,500,000 units, as it has sold almost 4,500,000 downloads. I also thought Another One Bites The Dust had only three Platinums. This proves Queen have a great audience among the young generations, who are the main users of the digital markets.

So do these totals account for only downloads and streaming? In which case what would total sales be if we included physical copies? :-D
 
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Re: Queen's Sales and Charts

Postby Loris1985 » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:03 pm

slightlymad1970 wrote:So do these totals account for only downloads and streaming? In which case what would total sales be if we included physical copies? :-D


As to Bohemian Rhapsody and Another One Bites The Dust, the figure only considers the digital market (streaming and downloads). In this link some certifications are available: https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab ... ch_section As we can see, Bohemian Rhapsody has one Gold certification obtained in 1976 for the physical format. Counting also the 1992 version, it has probably sold more than 8,000,000 (counting the 6 Platinums). Its sales without streaming amount at more than 6,500,000.
Another One Bites The Dust might have sold 3,500,000 physical copies. As to its digital copies, I'm not sure but it might have sold approximately between 2,500,000 and 3,000,000 downloads. I think that counting both the physical and the digital formats, it might have sold between 6,000,000 and 6,500,000 units.
I think Bohemian Rhapsody is Queen's most selling single in the United States.
Hernán, as you are more competent than me, what do you think...? :-)
 
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Re: Queen's Sales and Charts

Postby rockfizzy-o » Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:58 pm

The recent RIAA certifications for BoRhap and AOBTD are for the digital format. The RIAA uses the following certification requirements:

http://www.riaa.com/wp-content/uploads/ ... EMENTS.pdf

The RIAA certification for the “standard” format was Gold for BoRhap and Platinum for AOBTD.

From January 1, 1989, the gold-single certification requirement was cut from a minimum sale of one million to a minimum sale of 500.000 copies. The certification level for Platinum Singles was introduced from January 1, 1976, and required a minimum sale of two million copies. From January 1, 1989 the platinum-single requirement was reduced to a minimum sale of one million copies.

Technically, the 1992 release for BoRhap was not certified. The RIAA Gold certification in May 1992 (500.000 copies) was for The Show Must Go On.
 
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Re: Queen's Sales and Charts

Postby Hernán » Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:40 pm

Loris1985 wrote:
slightlymad1970 wrote:So do these totals account for only downloads and streaming? In which case what would total sales be if we included physical copies? :-D


As to Bohemian Rhapsody and Another One Bites The Dust, the figure only considers the digital market (streaming and downloads). In this link some certifications are available: https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab ... ch_section As we can see, Bohemian Rhapsody has one Gold certification obtained in 1976 for the physical format. Counting also the 1992 version, it has probably sold more than 8,000,000 (counting the 6 Platinums). Its sales without streaming amount at more than 6,500,000.
Another One Bites The Dust might have sold 3,500,000 physical copies. As to its digital copies, I'm not sure but it might have sold approximately between 2,500,000 and 3,000,000 downloads. I think that counting both the physical and the digital formats, it might have sold between 6,000,000 and 6,500,000 units.
I think Bohemian Rhapsody is Queen's most selling single in the United States.
Hernán, as you are more competent than me, what do you think...? :-)


Thank you, Loris. Very nicely summed up.

For the Queen's popularity analysis compiled by our friend MJDangerous, I contributed with physical singles' sales estimations, where MJD had the final word but I think he didn't change my USA totals at all as we both pretty much agreed on them.

I put 3 million for Another One Bites The Dust and 1.975 million for Bohemian Rhapsody (including 1 million for the original single from 1975 and 975,000 for the 1992 reissue coupled with The Show Must Go On). My estimations:

Another One Bites The Dust

Physical - 3,000,000
Digital Download - 2,500,000-3,000,000
Streaming - 1,000,000-1,500,000

Total - 7,000,000

I went for the 3 million physical sold because, whilst it was claimed to have reached 3.5 million in early 1981, the single was still charting and -in my experience- there were always returns that pushed the final net total down a little bit. So I figured 3 million would make sense, even if I'm also OK with 3.5 million. I wish Hollywood Records recertified this old physical single so that we can know how much it sold. There were also 4 million claims for it in 1982 which may have included sales in other WEA's markets (such as 100,000+ in Canada, 50,000+ in Australia, 10,000+ in New Zealand and also Japan, where it wasn't a big hit) but I didn't know whether to trust them. In few words, I preferred to used the lower total.

Digital and stream sales have become a bit of a mystery with this new 4x pltinum award. We know this song had sold 1,156,000 copies by October 2010, so we would normally expect it to be at about 2,500,000 by now. This would lead to 1,500,000 sales coming from streaming, which sounds like a lot, in fact similar to what Bohemian Rhapsody seems to have achieved and we know this latter song has had much better streams than Another One Bites The Dust, still massive anyway. It could have been 2.75 million for digital downloads and 1.25 million from streaming? Perhaps, but hard to tell.

Bohemian Rhapsody

Physical - 1,975,000
Digital Download - 4,500,000
Streaming - 1,500,000

Total - 7,975,000

We Will Rock You should be up there if we count its original physical single with We Are The Champions, of course.
 
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Re: Queen's Sales and Charts

Postby Hernán » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:37 pm

UK Official Chart Update (midweek chart):

"Finally, a reissued version of Queen's classic album News Of The World impacts at Number 32, and Black Sabbath live album The End could mark their 24th Top 40 appearance at Number 38."

http://www.officialcharts.com/chart-new ... te__21054/
 
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Re: Queen's Sales and Charts

Postby Loris1985 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:37 am

Thanks Hernán as always for sharing your detailed data. I agree with your estimations: it's surprising to see Another One Biters The Dust already already Platinum.
 
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Re: Queen's Sales and Charts

Postby Walter B. » Fri Nov 24, 2017 8:45 am

One more Brazil code for Greatest Hits:

Greatest Hits (2011)
AG2500
 
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Re: Queen's Sales and Charts

Postby slightlymad1970 » Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:54 pm

News of the World re-enters the UK charts at No58, 5 places below Greatest Hits!

Will this be deemed a success by the powers that be, I'm not sure. It has to be pointed out that the UK charts is based on units sold so obviously the revenue form NOTW will be considerably larger than that of GH. There is also no confirmation yet on units sold or wether the total sold will include the Picture Disc as well, we shall wait and see
 
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Re: Queen's Sales and Charts

Postby Hutchence » Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:41 pm

slightlymad1970 wrote:News of the World re-enters the UK charts at No58, 5 places below Greatest Hits!

Will this be deemed a success by the powers that be, I'm not sure. It has to be pointed out that the UK charts is based on units sold so obviously the revenue form NOTW will be considerably larger than that of GH. There is also no confirmation yet on units sold or wether the total sold will include the Picture Disc as well, we shall wait and see



Fun fact- Greatest hits, 800 weeks on chart in UK. Not bad at all...;)
 
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