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Kes wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:56 pm I disagree. People should vote for whoever represents them the best.

If one party promises to throw all everybody else's money at 5% of the population, and it doesn't benefit or represent them, then they shouldn't vote for them, just because their Dad's always voted for them.

Sounds like in fact you agree with me.

If you (hypothetical you) are a socialist who dislikes the current Labour leader, it makes far more sense to vote for Labour than to vote for their main rivals. If your political views have changed and you are now conservative in your views then of course you should vote conservative.

I didn’t say anything about anyone’s fathers.

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No, quite correct, you didn't.

I know an awful lot of people who vote dependent on who their parents voted for, and who they've always voted for, kind of like following a football team, since they were at school, and couldn't choose another party, because it's so indoctrinated into them.

The absolute factor which should decide who you vote for, should be your choice, at that particular time. Who's going to do more for YOU, than against you. And not because Harold Wilson, or Margaret Thatcher shafted your Mum's cat, years before you were born.

I'm not a socialist, and I'm not a heavily right wing capitalist either. I prefer to think I'm a moderate free minded spirit, who floats on the centre line, in the middle of the road. Extremes, to either side, are not particularly good for most of the people, and that's what politics "should" be about, catering for the most people that you can.

I believe in the NHS, but at an equal belief, don't believe in re-privatising the railways. If they're profitable, they'll survive on their own, without burning up taxpayer's money. I believe all the time places like North Korea are developing nuclear weapons, we shouldn't remove our capability, but if it was guaranteed nobody else had them, then we wouldn't need that security. Corbyn's statement that he'd never sanction their use, even if a full on nuclear attack was dumped on London, is not what you want from the leader of your country. Nuclear deterrents work as deterrents because you have them, and in certain circumstances WILL use them.

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Kes wrote: Mon Oct 04, 2021 10:33 am No, quite correct, you didn't.

I know an awful lot of people who vote dependent on who their parents voted for, and who they've always voted for, kind of like following a football team, since they were at school, and couldn't choose another party, because it's so indoctrinated into them.

The absolute factor which should decide who you vote for, should be your choice, at that particular time. Who's going to do more for YOU, than against you. And not because Harold Wilson, or Margaret Thatcher shafted your Mum's cat, years before you were born.

I'm not a socialist, and I'm not a heavily right wing capitalist either. I prefer to think I'm a moderate free minded spirit, who floats on the centre line, in the middle of the road. Extremes, to either side, are not particularly good for most of the people, and that's what politics "should" be about, catering for the most people that you can.

I believe in the NHS, but at an equal belief, don't believe in re-privatising the railways. If they're profitable, they'll survive on their own, without burning up taxpayer's money. I believe all the time places like North Korea are developing nuclear weapons, we shouldn't remove our capability, but if it was guaranteed nobody else had them, then we wouldn't need that security. Corbyn's statement that he'd never sanction their use, even if a full on nuclear attack was dumped on London, is not what you want from the leader of your country. Nuclear deterrents work as deterrents because you have them, and in certain circumstances WILL use them.
In the past election, a significant proportion of Labour voters in the North of the country voted for Boris because either they believed in Need it or did not like Corbyn. Despite his promises, Boris was never going to look after those people. In fact by cutting Universal Credit and raising NI payements, he has made many of those voters worse off.

One of my colleagues was complaining about those two things recently yet she has previously said she voted for Boris because of the two reasons I mentioned. Sadly you real what you sow.

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And I think we would have found that out the other way, if Corbyn had won the vote. He would have borrowed on an unprecedented scale to re-nationalize the rail networks, this, that, and all the other promises, we wouldn't known where the f*ck we were with Brexit, and then on the top of that lot, Covid would have come along.

I know the tories ballsed up with the pandemic, but really, with the chaos that would have followed Momentum getting in, how could they have managed it better?

A good watch if you get the chance, "Help" with Jodie Comer (from Killing Eve) and Stephen Graham. Putting people out of hospitals into care homes, without at least checking them for Covid, well, it almost amounts to what the Nazis did in death camps. Pre-meditated murder.

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Kes wrote: Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:10 pm And I think we would have found that out the other way, if Corbyn had won the vote. He would have borrowed on an unprecedented scale to re-nationalize the rail networks, this, that, and all the other promises, we wouldn't known where the f*ck we were with Brexit, and then on the top of that lot, Covid would have come along.

I know the tories ballsed up with the pandemic, but really, with the chaos that would have followed Momentum getting in, how could they have managed it better?

A good watch if you get the chance, "Help" with Jodie Comer (from Killing Eve) and Stephen Graham. Putting people out of hospitals into care homes, without at least checking them for Covid, well, it almost amounts to what the Nazis did in death camps. Pre-meditated murder.
At the time they were putting untested people into care homes, the cynic in me thought that is a good way to reduce the amount we need to spend on social care.

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Indeed.

However, at the time Covid broke, they had many people in long term hospital care, who probably "should" have been in care homes. If they'd made that move three to six months sooner, it might have been a practical way of freeing up hospital beds to help cope with the pandemic that was coming.

It wasn't just sending Covid positive people into an already fragile environment that caused about 40% of the deaths in the first six months of the pandemic. They sent them into places that were nothing like scaled up for the mayhem that was coming, and still couldn't get the PPE, until the NHS were in a situation where they had more than they really needed.

Frightful to say, but the frontline took all the resources from every other line. In retrospect, care homes should have had the same priority, or at least a similar priority to the sharp end.

The worst thing of the lot, we get most of our PPE from China, and whatever decent stocks we had of PPE in the early days, we were exporting back to China. Who made THAT call?

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As I said a few posts ago, the people on the Right don't worry about this kind of in-fighting. They can be relied upon to vote for the Conservatives, no matter now awful they think their current leader is.

The biggest challenge the Left faces (in my opinion) is their inability to see for the wood for the trees; they'd rather help hand victory to their rivals than to vote for a leader they don't like. It's a bizarre kind of self-harm that seems unique to the left-wing. Trump and Johnson have both benefited from it in recent years.

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In other news...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-58799222

It must be playing absolute havoc with the London Underground.

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I was thinking, maybe a way of stopping these floods would be to reduce the amount of water on the planet that is in liquid form. Best way to do that would be to increase the ice stores in the poles and the great mountain ranges. This could probably be achieved by lowering the temperature of the earth by a couple of degrees. Best way to do that would be to reduce carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere.

Just a mad thought.

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I think all we are achieving, even if we hit current targets, is slowing down climate change, not reversing it. It might well be too late to reverse it.

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