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Kes wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:04 pm The left and the right are like a clock face, from 8 o'clock to four o'clock. 80% of the population sit between 10 and 2.

I'd reckon that action's about 3 o'clock, JLP's about 10, El's about half past eight, and I'm about 12.30. If you'd put yourself somewhere else, please correct me.

We're all on the clock face, and probably have much different reasons why we are where we are.
huh?

where are extreme left and extreme right on the clock?

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The problem is that a bad experience can lead you to a conclusion like Donald Rumsfeld made after 9/11. "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all the terrorists in this case were Muslims".

Depending how you feel about 9/11, you can interpret that remark in a number of different ways.

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action wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:11 pm
huh?

where are extreme left and extreme right on the clock?
Doh. What's left and right on any normal clock? Don't tell me, you've only ever had a digital watch.

Left is left of 12 o'clock, right is right of 12 o'clock.

Corbyn would be 8 o'clock, Hitler would be 4.

It's what journalists call "The political spectrum", and can be displayed as colours of the rainbow, if you wanted. Red through to blue, and leaving the colours outside of those to define the hyper extremists.

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Kes wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:19 pm
Doh. What's left and right on any normal clock? Don't tell me, you've only ever had a digital watch.

Left is left of 12 o'clock, right is right of 12 o'clock.

Corbyn would be 8 o'clock, Hitler would be 4.

It's what journalists call "The political spectrum", and can be displayed as colours of the rainbow, if you wanted. Red through to blue, and leaving the colours outside of those to define the hyper extremists.
wouldn't hitler be 5?

the extreme right of the right half, surely is 5?

the extreme left, is 7

it can't be six, because that is shared with the left.

a centered person is then either 6 or 12, it's the same.

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They do say the further someone's politics go left or right, the closer they come to being on the same wavelength as the opposite side.

Extremists are extreme by definition.

If you were to make it a full clock face, I definitely wouldn't say six o'clock is the same as 12. Someone at 12 might not give a shit about anything political, a 6 o'clock would care about every fucking thing.

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Lord of all darkness wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:05 pm
MusicalProstitute wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:31 pm
Elessar wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:24 pm

Lots of people in this thread are offended by the absence of the word
Typical Woke response here. If it is not there then make it up. No one here is offended by the absence of the word. It is just that some of us here are mature and open-minded and wise enough to know it is all about context and that this immature and spoilt little cancel culture you so defend causes more divisions and helps no one.
Who are these "Woke" people? Through Covid I understood that these were right wing nut jobs. They believe that most of us are asleep and that we are "sheeple". They see it as there duty to educate us sheeple that Covid is fake and that there is a new world order lead by Bill Gates that keep children in underground tunnels to feast on etc.. These "Woke" Right Wing Nut Jobs are uneducated morons that also believe that the 2020 election was stolen from Trump.

Nah.

We all know who these Woke people are. Those who lead the Cancel Culture and arrogantly believe it is their way or nothing. Talking on behalf of many groups of people, claiming they speak for them but in reality patronising them.

Invariably Middle Class and pampered, weak and spineless - they are an embarrassment.

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JLP wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:43 pm

Bullshit action. You class me as woke because I stand up against racism and other forms of discrimination. Fine by me but trust me, I know about poverty and hardship. Trust me on that one.
I think this is part of the problem. No one really listens to anyone else anymore. So we all go round in circles.

We do not class people as Woke because they stand against what all normal people stand against - most of us naturally oppose such prejudices because we are moral human beings. So, you are confusing what is being stated here.

If Woke just meant opposing prejudice and fighting for equality then great. I would stand alongside you. But, it does not. The Old School Left (those I admire) actually stood for something, they actually fought for something - the Woke sit in their armchairs and attack song lyrics instead of addressing the real issues.

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Kes wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:58 pm
Lead coffins preserve a body for up to a year, they can be sealed airtight and slow the decomposition of the body.

Lead lining a coffin seals the coffin, it keeps out moisture and preserves the body for longer, it also makes sure that the smell and any toxins from a dead body can’t escape and harm the environment.
Interesting, thanks! Also interesting is the left/right clock idea...I still don’t get the difference between 12 and 6 though. 12 could be complete indifference, but 6 is more complicated, as it would be the extreme version of both left and right and I’m not sure how that person behaves? I get that extreme versions end up pretty much being alike, but in this situation I can’t imagine what that looks like. Maybe it is the extreme of indifference, meaning they care so much that they can’t commit, perhaps?

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Extreme left, you could have the Bolsheviks who slaughtered the family of Tsar Nicholas II, in the Russian revolution of 1917, and quite a few thousand others in the process. The Chinese and Tiannamen Square.

Extreme right wing, you could pick anyone of a load of facist dictators, from Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Saddam Hussain, etc. etc.

In a nutshell, historically the left kill the right, and the right kill just about anybody they fancy, but mainly those who oppose them.

Basically, that's the difference between getting close to six o'clock, and getting close to 12. The trail of dead people.

It's one of the weird things about 6 o'clock. The Nazi (National Socialist) party got elected, within about 18 months they were a right wing Facist government.

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MusicalProstitute wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:15 pm
Lord of all darkness wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:05 pm
MusicalProstitute wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:31 pm

Typical Woke response here. If it is not there then make it up. No one here is offended by the absence of the word. It is just that some of us here are mature and open-minded and wise enough to know it is all about context and that this immature and spoilt little cancel culture you so defend causes more divisions and helps no one.
Who are these "Woke" people? Through Covid I understood that these were right wing nut jobs. They believe that most of us are asleep and that we are "sheeple". They see it as there duty to educate us sheeple that Covid is fake and that there is a new world order lead by Bill Gates that keep children in underground tunnels to feast on etc.. These "Woke" Right Wing Nut Jobs are uneducated morons that also believe that the 2020 election was stolen from Trump.

Nah.

We all know who these Woke people are. Those who lead the Cancel Culture and arrogantly believe it is their way or nothing. Talking on behalf of many groups of people, claiming they speak for them but in reality patronising them.

Invariably Middle Class and pampered, weak and spineless - they are an embarrassment.
Wrong, during the Covid Pandemic, all the RWNJs are the ones saying we are all asleep and need to wake up to their weird view if the world.

What do you have against the middle class? You seem to be the one with the problem?

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