Why do many people dislike Roger Taylors songs?

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Why do many people dislike Roger Taylors songs?

Postby Ogre T Raylor » Sat Apr 08, 2017 4:23 pm

Of course by "many people" I'm referring to my 17 years on the internet reading music discussions. When people discuss Queen and the band members online, it often seems that Taylors songs come under criticism. I never read any reason as to *why* though! But I've read comments like "90% of Taylors songs are garbage" or "Drowse is a rare Roger Taylor winner" or"I admit he is a very good drummer but his voice and songs suck"

Growing up with the band in my teens I never had any negative association with Taylors songs. I didn't know too many people who liked Queen at school but a friend of mine like a lot of Taylors songs. I will admit that his first two songs were pretty forgettable a few of tracks like Fun It were lame. But Tenement Funster, I'm In Love With My Car, Drowse, Fight From The Inside, Rock It and A ind Of Magic are all songs I like. Even his Hot Space songs were among the best on that album. Fun In Space was a good album too, although I'm not that familiar with his other albums.
 
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Re: Why do many people dislike Roger Taylors songs?

Postby Leigh Burne » Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:54 pm

I can't say I've ever noticed any widespread hate directed at his songs in particular.
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Re: Why do many people dislike Roger Taylors songs?

Postby Capt. Den Ronson » Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:57 pm

Leigh Burne wrote:I can't say I've ever noticed any widespread hate directed at his songs in particular.


Right. Not sure what the OP is going on about to be honest.
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Re: Why do many people dislike Roger Taylors songs?

Postby Ogre T Raylor » Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:09 am

Capt. Den Ronson wrote:
Leigh Burne wrote:I can't say I've ever noticed any widespread hate directed at his songs in particular.


Right. Not sure what the OP is going on about to be honest.


You didn't understand my first post? Really? Well it's all written in black and white. It's not rocket science. Essentially what I'm trying to say is,

in my time on the internet, whenever I've read people discuss Queen, a lot of people comment that they don't like Roger Taylors songs

And- this is something that puzzles me. For- I like a lot of Taylors songs.I can't really put it in simpler terms.
 
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Postby Capt. Den Ronson » Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:44 am

Ogre T Raylor wrote:You didn't understand my first post? Really? Well it's all written in black and white. It's not rocket science. Essentially what I'm trying to say is,

in my time on the internet, whenever I've read people discuss Queen, a lot of people comment that they don't like Roger Taylors songs

And- this is something that puzzles me. For- I like a lot of Taylors songs.I can't really put it in simpler terms.


Sorry, bro, I was up late drinkng Babycham with action, chatting together on The Giphy Forum. Head was a bit fuzzy.
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Re: Why do many people dislike Roger Taylors songs?

Postby Oret » Sun Apr 09, 2017 1:00 pm

I'd guess it's about your personal expectations.

If you've been drawn into Queen by the voice of Freddie, you aren't necessarily going to be thrilled about Roger's (or Brian's) vocals. And if you like piano-based songs, you might not like things like Brighton Rock solo.

The good thing about Queen is that there is diversity, and you don't have to like the exact same things as everybody else.
 
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Re: Why do many people dislike Roger Taylors songs?

Postby Capt. Den Ronson » Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:16 pm

Oret wrote:I'd guess it's about your personal expectations.

If you've been drawn into Queen by the voice of Freddie, you aren't necessarily going to be thrilled about Roger's (or Brian's) vocals. And if you like piano-based songs, you might not like things like Brighton Rock solo.

The good thing about Queen is that there is diversity, and you don't have to like the exact same things as everybody else.


Innit. Many arena and stadia suffered Brian's guitar solo over the years. One horrific rendition of Too Much Love Will Kill You was howled in front of 72,000 people and broadcast across the globe on TV.
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Re: Why do many people dislike Roger Taylors songs?

Postby sebastian » Sat Apr 15, 2017 2:11 pm

People are drawn into Queen for different reasons. The list below is obviously a generalisation so please take it with a pinch of salt:

- People drawn into Queen because of Freddie's lead voice will probably be unimpressed by songs which are sung by someone else, so it's not a surprise their 'worst' lists include the likes of Fight from the Inside, Loser in the End, She Makes Me and most of the Flash OST.

- People drawn into Queen because of Brian's magnificent (May-estic?) guitar solos which are both melodic and heavy and/or with some interestng harmonies will probably unimpressed by songs where all he does is a more straightforward rock solo, such as Coming Soon, Drowse (where there's no solo, actually) or even Tenement Funster (which I personally rate as one of his best solos, but it's not in the style of Killer Queen, Let Me Live or Days of Our Lives).

- People drawn into Queen because of their musically-complex epic material with peculiar structures, loads of odd chords, interesting modulations and so on will be less impressed by simpler more 'basic' songs such as Loser in the End, Rock It, Sheer Heart Attack or Ride the Wild Wind. Unlike Frederick (and to a lesser extent John and Brian), Rog was vocally opposed to modulations and overcomplications, so his style was different. 'Ga Ga' was such an anomaly in that sense, but coincidentally that is one song of his that Fred took over and re-arranged.

- People drawn into Queen because of the lush layered vocal harmonies will likely be less impressed by the likes of Modern Times R'n'R, More of That Jazz, Calling All Girls or Don't Lose Your Head, which wouldn't hold a candle in that department to the likes of My Fairy King, You and I, '39 or Somebody to Love. Fred was a backing vocal specialist; Brian arranged some beautiful and really interesting parts from time to time, and even John had a couple of instances ... Roger, not so much (perhaps the ending of 'I'm in Love with My Car' is the only case).

- People drawn into Queen because of the multi-tracked guitar harmonies will likely prefer the likes of 'Millionaire Waltz', 'All Dead' or 'Master-Stroke' rather than 'Coming Soon', 'Sheer Heart Attack' or 'Action This Day'.

- People drawn into Queen because of the unique piano playing (not concert-pianist material, but still interesting and distinctive) will likely prefer the likes of 'Don't Stop Me Now', 'Love of My Life' or even 'Leroy Brown' rather than most of Roger's songs (out of all his compositions for Queen, only four or five have acoustic piano, and never as a main instrument - often just adding overdubs and superfluous ornaments).

- People drawn into Queen because of the melodic bass playing will likely be more drawn to ballads (Teo Torriatte, Save Me, We Are the Champions) or more adventurous material (Master-Stroke, Waltz, Leroy Brown) instead of the bland 'bass plays the root and/or doubles the rhythm guitar an octave lower' approach used a lot by Rog (Car, Modern Times, Action). 'Days of Our Lives' has a beautiful bass-line, which is why this one's usually well-liked by those people.

I suppose the stereotypes mentioned above make up a sizeable portion of the Queen public, so there's your answer. I personally like his songs a lot, and some of them are quite underrated indeed. They make the seventies albums even better as they provide a valuable change of pace and Roger's voice is stupendous. But yeah, if I were to choose between Ogre Battle and Loser in the End, between Teo Torriatte and Drowse, between We Are the Champions and Sheer Heart Attack, Don't Stop Me Now vs More of That Jazz, Sail Away Sweet Sister vs Rock It, Save Me vs Coming Soon (in all cases I'm choosing two consecutive album tracks), Action This Day vs Put Out the Fire, Princes of the Universe vs Don't Lose Your Head, I Want It All vs The Invisible Man ... yeah, Brian and Frederick wrote way better songs overall... by far.
John hated Hot Space. Frederick's favourite singer was not Paul Rodgers. Roger did not compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Scotland's not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.
 
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Re: Why do many people dislike Roger Taylors songs?

Postby Capt. Den Ronson » Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:14 pm

sebastian wrote: between Teo Torriatte and Drowse, Sail Away Sweet Sister vs Rock It, Action This Day vs Put Out the Fire, ... yeah, Brian and Frederick wrote way better songs overall... by far.


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Re: Why do many people dislike Roger Taylors songs?

Postby action » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:25 am

Capt. Den Ronson wrote:
sebastian wrote: between Teo Torriatte and Drowse, Sail Away Sweet Sister vs Rock It, Action This Day vs Put Out the Fire, ... yeah, Brian and Frederick wrote way better songs overall... by far.


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