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Re: Body Language!

Postby Kes » Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:55 pm

The__KingOfRhye wrote:Not one of my favorites, but I never really HATED it. I bet it wouldn't have gotten nearly as much vitriol if it ended up as a Freddie solo song, which, as a few people have already said, it basically is already.

What the hell does "knock me down for a six anytime" mean, anyway? Do I even wanna know? :lol:


"Knocking for six" is a cricketing term, meaning hitting a boundary without the ball touching the ground, but you wouldn't normally put the word "down" in the sentence. So, the jury's still out on that one.

I guess his brain was a bit addled around that time. Munich nightclubs, coke, Paul Prenter, and all that
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Re: Body Language!

Postby Kes » Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:57 pm

As regards the success of songs, 'The Show Must Go On' didn't do particularly well anywhere on the planet, and arguably it's one of the best songs (if not THE best song) they ever made.
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Re: Body Language!

Postby icy » Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:00 pm

Kes wrote:As regards the success of songs, 'The Show Must Go On' didn't do particularly well anywhere on the planet, and arguably it's one of the best songs (if not THE best song) they ever made.

It sure makes me scratch my head at times. Pah, the bloody charts :-P
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Re: Body Language!

Postby Kes » Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:03 pm

It's all down to who buys what, or at least it was back then.

At the time of it's release, I bought TSMGO on 7" twice, 12" twice, and both parts of the CD single, so it's not my fault.

If the band hadn't apparently pulled the single when Freddie died, it would have no doubt rushed back up the charts, but they wanted Bo Rhap to have a clear run for the Number One spot, so I guess that's what happened.
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Re: Body Language!

Postby musicalprostitute » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:55 am

Kes wrote:As regards the success of songs, 'The Show Must Go On' didn't do particularly well anywhere on the planet, and arguably it's one of the best songs (if not THE best song) they ever made.


Wholeheartedly agree; TSMGO is pure class, pure emotion and pure talent. From the opening bars to the last repeated line, it is a work of beauty and wonder. My favourite Queen track from the first moment I played it on my Innuendo tape cassette back in '91. Love it.
 
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Re: Body Language!

Postby icy » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:04 pm

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Kes wrote:As regards the success of songs, 'The Show Must Go On' didn't do particularly well anywhere on the planet, and arguably it's one of the best songs (if not THE best song) they ever made.


Wholeheartedly agree; TSMGO is pure class, pure emotion and pure talent. From the opening bars to the last repeated line, it is a work of beauty and wonder. My favourite Queen track from the first moment I played it on my Innuendo tape cassette back in '91. Love it.

Not sure if this will make an sense, but did you expect Queen to tour again for Innuendo? Did you think TSMGO meant Queen would tour again? Or that their career was nearing it's end?
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Re: Body Language!

Postby musicalprostitute » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:05 pm

icy wrote:Not sure if this will make an sense, but did you expect Queen to tour again for Innuendo? Did you think TSMGO meant Queen would tour again? Or that their career was nearing it's end?
You aren't obligated to answer these questions by the way.


Personally, I had only been a true fan since about 1985/6 - so I had just about missed their live period (probably one of the few regrets I allow myself to have in life); therefore, I did not give the live thing too much thought when Innuendo came out.

Also, and strange as this may sound, there were a few newspaper articles around this time with pictures of Freddie looking bloody awful (I recall The Sun running a piece on him with a photo showing him in an ill-fitted suit looking quite frail - I believe he was with his specialist AIDS doctor at the time) - yet I did not think for a second that he was gravely ill. Looking back, I think I was maybe in denial (I had never been in love with a singer or anyone famous before - and from the first moment I laid eyes on him at Live Aid I fell head over hells in love with the man); maybe I just did not want to face the truth.

I do remember a piece in one of the British rags in which Freddie was quoted as saying that there would be no more live shows and that they were sick of the whole cycle of album, tour, album, tour, etc. It made sense to me. And when I read that people around him were stating he just had a liver complaint, I swallowed that too. I was just blind I guess.

Innuendo the album did make me think something was different with the band though. And when I saw the video for the lead single, I distinctly recall feeling that it was dark, melancholy and completely the opposite of the Queen I knew.

Gawd, I don't even think I answered your question! Bloody twit I am. :P
 
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Re: Body Language!

Postby hotspace1966 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:11 pm

Personally i think that after the Miracle had come and gone without any hint of a tour we probably knew that could possibly be the end of them as a touring entity. My memory is hazy but i seem to recall thinking how well he looked at the time of the 'I want it all' video and possibly raised a bit of hope at that moment in time. We all waited for an announcement regarding tour dates but deep down we were just clutching at straws.
It was at a time when i was starting to get a little older and earning a good wage so i was just waiting on the announcement and would have followed them around Europe...shame but at least i did get to see them live a number of times previously.

I always thought of TSMGO more as rally cry aimed at singing and producing records right until the end more than a head tilt towards touring. By that time i think the photos were out and even though his voice was amazing it was clear there were health issues and touring was never going to be an option. Sad times but grateful for Innuendo
The whole album is fantastic and i consider to be right up there with the best, amazing artwork as well.
 
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Re: Body Language!

Postby musicalprostitute » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:49 pm

hotspace1966 wrote:Personally i think that after the Miracle had come and gone without any hint of a tour we probably knew that could possibly be the end of them as a touring entity. My memory is hazy but i seem to recall thinking how well he looked at the time of the 'I want it all' video and possibly raised a bit of hope at that moment in time. We all waited for an announcement regarding tour dates but deep down we were just clutching at straws.
It was at a time when i was starting to get a little older and earning a good wage so i was just waiting on the announcement and would have followed them around Europe...shame but at least i did get to see them live a number of times previously.

I always thought of TSMGO more as rally cry aimed at singing and producing records right until the end more than a head tilt towards touring. By that time i think the photos were out and even though his voice was amazing it was clear there were health issues and touring was never going to be an option. Sad times but grateful for Innuendo
The whole album is fantastic and i consider to be right up there with the best, amazing artwork as well.


You know what? I too remember thinking that he looked pretty well when I first saw the promo for IWIA. And then I recall thinking how much weight he had lost when the next promo came out for Breakthru, but I still did not have a bloody clue anything was seriously wrong.

And, yes, Innuendo is up their with ANATO for me. Great album and strong throughout (OK...we'll overlook Delilah). What a way for the man to bow out. And TSMGO? Still moves me exactly the same way as it did all those years ago. Class. Pure fucking class.
 
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Re: Body Language!

Postby Kes » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:19 pm

In the "Queen for a day" interview, with Mike Read, I remember Freddie coming out with the statement that they were fed up with the "Tour-album-tour-album" set up, and somebody had to think of something new. Then along came Innuendo, and on an interview for Radio One, Brian mentioned that Freddie was having these moments when he suddenly lost vision, and you can't have your lead singer on his own up a thirty foot piece of staging, suddenly losing his sight. Brian basically said "We'll hope Freddie gets better and then maybe re-evaluate the situation."

I'm not sure many people in the UK ever got to see the TATDOOL video before Freddie died, so you only really had the Slightly Mad video to go on, and let's face it, he looked thinner in that one than he ever did in the Bo Rhap video, and he was pretty slim back then. Although you could see it, nobody admitted to themselves what they were seeing, or at least that's what I think.

We now know, that underneath that suit in the IGSM video, he had a sweat shirt on to bulk himself out a bit.
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Re: Body Language!

Postby icy » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:04 pm

musicalprostitute wrote:
icy wrote:Not sure if this will make an sense, but did you expect Queen to tour again for Innuendo? Did you think TSMGO meant Queen would tour again? Or that their career was nearing it's end?
You aren't obligated to answer these questions by the way.


Personally, I had only been a true fan since about 1985/6 - so I had just about missed their live period (probably one of the few regrets I allow myself to have in life); therefore, I did not give the live thing too much thought when Innuendo came out.

Also, and strange as this may sound, there were a few newspaper articles around this time with pictures of Freddie looking bloody awful (I recall The Sun running a piece on him with a photo showing him in an ill-fitted suit looking quite frail - I believe he was with his specialist AIDS doctor at the time) - yet I did not think for a second that he was gravely ill. Looking back, I think I was maybe in denial (I had never been in love with a singer or anyone famous before - and from the first moment I laid eyes on him at Live Aid I fell head over hells in love with the man); maybe I just did not want to face the truth.

I do remember a piece in one of the British rags in which Freddie was quoted as saying that there would be no more live shows and that they were sick of the whole cycle of album, tour, album, tour, etc. It made sense to me. And when I read that people around him were stating he just had a liver complaint, I swallowed that too. I was just blind I guess.

Innuendo the album did make me think something was different with the band though. And when I saw the video for the lead single, I distinctly recall feeling that it was dark, melancholy and completely the opposite of the Queen I knew.

Gawd, I don't even think I answered your question! Bloody twit I am. :P


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Re: Body Language!

Postby icy » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:14 pm

Kes wrote:In the "Queen for a day" interview, with Mike Read, I remember Freddie coming out with the statement that they were fed up with the "Tour-album-tour-album" set up, and somebody had to think of something new. Then along came Innuendo, and on an interview for Radio One, Brian mentioned that Freddie was having these moments when he suddenly lost vision, and you can't have your lead singer on his own up a thirty foot piece of staging, suddenly losing his sight. Brian basically said "We'll hope Freddie gets better and then maybe re-evaluate the situation."

I'm not sure many people in the UK ever got to see the TATDOOL video before Freddie died, so you only really had the Slightly Mad video to go on, and let's face it, he looked thinner in that one than he ever did in the Bo Rhap video, and he was pretty slim back then. Although you could see it, nobody admitted to themselves what they were seeing, or at least that's what I think.

We now know, that underneath that suit in the IGSM video, he had a sweat shirt on to bulk himself out a bit.


I've never heard about Freddie losing his sight that early before and that being the reason for no live shows. If I was a Queen fan at that point, that would have made me pause.
I didn't see the DOOL video before becoming a Queen fan. It had to be something to watch Freddie change so drastically. Even reading about it now, gives me a pang.
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Re: Body Language!

Postby Kes » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:50 pm

I definitely remember hearing that in an interview. I think the show was plugging that week's releases, and the Queen single featured was I'm Going Slightly Mad, so that kind of carbon dates it.

The quote was in response to a question about when Queen's next tour was likely to be. As I remember it the reply was along the lines of "Well, there's not much you can do when your singer suddenly has these moments where he can't see anything. That could be very dangerous on the sorts of stages we use. Let's see if he can get it fixed, and we'll play it from there."

Probably not word for word, but not a million miles away.

At that time, not many people really knew the finer points of what AIDS victims went through, and so Freddie's symptoms could have been attributable to his drugs habit, or just about anything. The internet didn't really exist, so you knew what either you knew or were told, and not much more.
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Re: Body Language!

Postby icy » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:45 pm

Kes wrote:I definitely remember hearing that in an interview. I think the show was plugging that week's releases, and the Queen single featured was I'm Going Slightly Mad, so that kind of carbon dates it.

The quote was in response to a question about when Queen's next tour was likely to be. As I remember it the reply was along the lines of "Well, there's not much you can do when your singer suddenly has these moments where he can't see anything. That could be very dangerous on the sorts of stages we use. Let's see if he can get it fixed, and we'll play it from there."

Probably not word for word, but not a million miles away.

At that time, not many people really knew the finer points of what AIDS victims went through, and so Freddie's symptoms could have been attributable to his drugs habit, or just about anything. The internet didn't really exist, so you knew what either you knew or were told, and not much more.

I've read about Freddie being blind while very ill before he died, I forget if it was weeks or days. All the more amazing and incredible what he put on record and video.
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Re: Body Language!

Postby musicalprostitute » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:20 pm

Kes wrote:In the "Queen for a day" interview, with Mike Read, I remember Freddie coming out with the statement that they were fed up with the "Tour-album-tour-album" set up, and somebody had to think of something new. Then along came Innuendo, and on an interview for Radio One, Brian mentioned that Freddie was having these moments when he suddenly lost vision, and you can't have your lead singer on his own up a thirty foot piece of staging, suddenly losing his sight. Brian basically said "We'll hope Freddie gets better and then maybe re-evaluate the situation."

I'm not sure many people in the UK ever got to see the TATDOOL video before Freddie died, so you only really had the Slightly Mad video to go on, and let's face it, he looked thinner in that one than he ever did in the Bo Rhap video, and he was pretty slim back then. Although you could see it, nobody admitted to themselves what they were seeing, or at least that's what I think.

We now know, that underneath that suit in the IGSM video, he had a sweat shirt on to bulk himself out a bit.


Christ, I never knew that Brian had stated in an interview that Freddie was having problems with his vision; I am quite shocked.

This is going to sound so dumb and naive, but I did not even think there was a problem when I saw the video for IGSM. Looking back, I am still at a loss as to why I couldn't see the illness in him - I mean, he was stick thin in that video and looked bloody awful. I think I was so in love with the man (and, trust me, I do not say that lightly - I absolutely worshipped him....still do, but age puts things into perspective a little) that I did not want to see it.

As for TATDOOL? The first time I got to see it was on the BBC tribute documentary the Monday we all found out the horrible news: it absolutely killed me. Seeing him like that, mixed with his passing, just took the wind out of me and made me weep like a little boy. I can still actually recall the pain I felt - it felt that raw. He looked so vulnerable, I just wanted to put my arms around him and tell him it would be all OK and how much he was loved across the globe.

Funny, I used to take the piss out of those who properly idolised individuals they did not even know - I thought they were quite pathetic. And then my idol died and I wept like I had lost a family member.
 
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