Haiti rescue dogs suffer depression

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Re: Haiti rescue dogs suffer depression

Postby y2marmar » Sun May 09, 2010 10:25 pm

Delilah wrote:Ooh, here it is. My worst nightmare. This guy may feel differently, but I do not want to live so badly damaged that my parents go through this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36994562/ns/health-kids_and_parenting/



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Re: Haiti rescue dogs suffer depression

Postby Elessar » Sun May 09, 2010 11:17 pm

Delilah wrote:Ooh, here it is. My worst nightmare. This guy may feel differently, but I do not want to live so badly damaged that my parents go through this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36994562/ns/health-kids_and_parenting/


Wow, that's terrible.

Jesus - it really it horrendous. If I had been the field medic that found him, I think I'd have finished what the bullet had started. His life must be one of constant torture. How absolutely appalling.
 
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Re: Haiti rescue dogs suffer depression

Postby Elessar » Sun May 09, 2010 11:23 pm

I'm actually in tears after reading that.
 
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Re: Haiti rescue dogs suffer depression

Postby Belle Leisha » Sun May 09, 2010 11:31 pm

Elessar wrote:I'm actually in tears after reading that.


That is genuinely horrifying. :(
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Re: Haiti rescue dogs suffer depression

Postby Elessar » Sun May 09, 2010 11:38 pm

Belle Leisha wrote:
Elessar wrote:I'm actually in tears after reading that.


That is genuinely horrifying. :(


They're hoping for future stem cell treatment. Well yes, and it's excellent that they're actively involved in the campaign, and I think Christopher Reeve earned himself the title of 'Superman' far more in the last few years of his life than in the earlier years, because of what he did for stem cell research, especially as morons like Bush were blocking progress.

But this poor guy had two cardiac arrests which starved his brain of oxygen, so he's blind and brain damaged as well. If he hadn't had the cardiac arrests, he'd be able to see, and would probably be able to communicate in a Stephen Hawking manner, but as it is, he's blind and brain damaged. They presumably can't even assess the extent of the brain damage properly because there aren't many tests they can actually do on him! It's just awful. I hope in a way that he's severely brain-damaged and has no idea of what's going on, but then I read the bit that says that he cries when he hears his mother crying, which I thought was just heart-breaking. Imagine being cognitive enough to be able to hear your mother crying, but not being able to see her, not being able to move, and not even fully understanding why she's crying because you're a bit brain damaged. It's just utterly, utterly horrible. People have to go through a couple of days of that when people have strokes and are about to die. This is seven years and counting. I really can't think of anything worse. Why was he taken to a military hospital? Surely in a battle situation when confronted with a solider that profoundly injured, the euthanasia rules don't apply?
 
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Re: Haiti rescue dogs suffer depression

Postby Delilah » Sun May 09, 2010 11:48 pm

Perhaps the biggest horror would be if he were perfectly aware and capable of thinking. Just brain-damaged enough to lose the ability to speak, but otherwise trapped in his head.

I just so would not want my mother and father to go through this. They are the kind of wonderful parents who would do what these parents are doing, and I can't bear the thought of it. They don't deserve that.
 
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Re: Haiti rescue dogs suffer depression

Postby Elessar » Mon May 10, 2010 1:00 am

Delilah wrote:Perhaps the biggest horror would be if he were perfectly aware and capable of thinking. Just brain-damaged enough to lose the ability to speak, but otherwise trapped in his head.

I just so would not want my mother and father to go through this. They are the kind of wonderful parents who would do what these parents are doing, and I can't bear the thought of it. They don't deserve that.


From a purely selfish point of view, I wouldn't want that life for myself either, regardless of how I felt about the people looking after me.
 
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Re: Haiti rescue dogs suffer depression

Postby Delilah » Mon May 10, 2010 1:05 am

Elessar wrote:From a purely selfish point of view, I wouldn't want that life for myself either, regardless of how I felt about the people looking after me.


Pretty sure I wouldn't either.
 
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Re: Haiti rescue dogs suffer depression

Postby WeeMann » Mon May 10, 2010 7:26 am

Truly horrifying.

My Uncle collapsed a few years ago. We never found out exactly what the problem was - originally it was assumed it was a heart attack, but apparently it turned out it wasn't. Anyway, the upshot was that he spent the last couple of years pretty much as a vegetable, unable to do much except just sit there and stare, unable to communicate.

Ultimately he died naturally, but at one point when my cousin was visiting, he mouthed the words "Help me" to her. As far as I know, it was the only thing he communicated whilst in this state.

The story above, of the brain damaged soldier, reminds me of the story in this song:

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Re: Haiti rescue dogs suffer depression

Postby Belle Leisha » Tue May 11, 2010 7:51 pm

God, that sounds horrendous, it's hard to imagine anything worse.
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Re: Haiti rescue dogs suffer depression

Postby y2marmar » Tue May 11, 2010 8:39 pm

I know, It must be terrible. To have literally no way to communicate with people. No option but to sit and take it...
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Re: Haiti rescue dogs suffer depression

Postby bigV » Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:24 am

Elessar wrote:As the article says though, shaking the head doesn't universally mean 'no'. It means 'yes' in Bulgaria. However, it does show that chimps have a concept of 'yes' and 'no' amongst themselves, without training, which is a fascinating discovery.


How the f**k did you know that? :shock:

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Re: Haiti rescue dogs suffer depression

Postby Zappanalé » Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:01 am

He was in a nightclub, and a Bulgarian asked him if he wanted to fuck in the toilet.
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Re: Haiti rescue dogs suffer depression

Postby Elessar » Tue Oct 05, 2010 4:41 pm

I'm always happy to look at new evidence - as long as it is indeed 'evidence', and not "my neighbour's dog goes to school", "look at these elephants - they look sad so it must be a funeral", "humans are animals too" or "personal experience trumps science". With that in mind...

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/ ... awareness/

Very interesting stuff.
 
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Re: Haiti rescue dogs suffer depression

Postby Elessar » Tue Oct 05, 2010 4:43 pm

A few comments by the dolphin lady in that article - the famous dolphin article that the Times managed to spectacularly spin into "dolphins are people too".
 
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