50 Shades Of Grey.

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Re: 50 Shades Of Grey.

Postby icy » Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:28 pm

I don't look at is a porn, but then again as I've said it's not my usual reading material, so I have not a book to compare it with.
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Re: 50 Shades Of Grey.

Postby Belle Leisha » Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:46 pm

I don't agree at all El, I've read some extraordinary fanfiction that would be entirely publishable and better than most 'bestsellers' of the type. The most common reason I've found for writing fanfiction is that it's a good outlet for writers who don't have much chance for an audience otherwise. There is some absolutely awful embarrassments of course (many, many, involving Queen :P ) but that level of quality is going to be the published type, if there is any, as that is the general level of popular fiction, sadly enough.

I don't actually think horrible sex fantasy trash (with or without vampires) is the worst of the things people buy en masse though. I'm increasingly disturbed by the numbers of women who buy 'real life' books about child abuse. I understand books about mass murderers, that's morbid curiosity, we all have it. Sex fantasy however strange a choice of medium, is again, pretty universal. What are people getting from books about traumatic childhoods? It's like they don't react to the real life occurrence, but buy the dramatised version to guide their expected emotional response a bit.
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Re: 50 Shades Of Grey.

Postby Elessar » Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:53 pm

Hmm, I guess the Beatles and Queen both started out as tribute bands, maybe the same logic applies to books. The internet has completely changed the rules. Genres that no one suspected would be popular can become hugely popular via the internet and then become commercial. The downside is like-minded people can exchange very unsavoury desires, such as cannibalism (remember that German case?) and paedophilia. I read that 25 years ago there were a few hundred explicit images of children doing the rounds - there are now millions.
 
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Re: 50 Shades Of Grey.

Postby icy » Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:58 pm

The books about traumatic upbringings may make the reader feel less alone, corny as that may be. I am on a waiting list to read the Jaycee Duggard book, that one book and personal experience have helped so many.
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Re: 50 Shades Of Grey.

Postby Belle Leisha » Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:03 pm

Elessar wrote:Hmm, I guess the Beatles and Queen both started out as tribute bands, maybe the same logic applies to books. The internet has completely changed the rules. Genres that no one suspected would be popular can become hugely popular via the internet and then become commercial. The downside is like-minded people can exchange very unsavoury desires, such as cannibalism (remember that German case?) and paedophilia. I read that 25 years ago there were a few hundred explicit images of children doing the rounds - there are now millions.


Well yeah, the internet is like both a microcosm and whatever the opposite of that is, of actual life. In public we act one way, behind the scenes, horrible things occur. In publicly shared pages, social networking and so on, we have rules. Beyond that, it's made the world much smaller and the people we'd rather weren't in it, much close together.
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Re: 50 Shades Of Grey.

Postby mikespit » Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:43 pm

Your missus ain't going to be happy when she finds out you have stolen her book!

JLP wrote:Might be a bit too racy to discuss but I suppose it is the must read series.

I haven't read them but I have a question. If a man had written these books for men, would there be an outcry? Would they be classed as porn? I glanced at a couple of pages and it is pretty explicit with sado masochism etc going on. But women I have talked to about the books seem pretty happy with it all.
 
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Re: 50 Shades Of Grey.

Postby Elessar » Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:50 pm

Belle Leisha wrote:
Elessar wrote:Hmm, I guess the Beatles and Queen both started out as tribute bands, maybe the same logic applies to books. The internet has completely changed the rules. Genres that no one suspected would be popular can become hugely popular via the internet and then become commercial. The downside is like-minded people can exchange very unsavoury desires, such as cannibalism (remember that German case?) and paedophilia. I read that 25 years ago there were a few hundred explicit images of children doing the rounds - there are now millions.


Well yeah, the internet is like both a microcosm and whatever the opposite of that is, of actual life. In public we act one way, behind the scenes, horrible things occur. In publicly shared pages, social networking and so on, we have rules. Beyond that, it's made the world much smaller and the people we'd rather weren't in it, much close together.


Let's go with macrocosm.
 
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Re: 50 Shades Of Grey.

Postby JLP » Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:09 am

mikespit wrote:Your missus ain't going to be happy when she finds out you have stolen her book!

JLP wrote:Might be a bit too racy to discuss but I suppose it is the must read series.

I haven't read them but I have a question. If a man had written these books for men, would there be an outcry? Would they be classed as porn? I glanced at a couple of pages and it is pretty explicit with sado masochism etc going on. But women I have talked to about the books seem pretty happy with it all.


LOL I prefer things a bit grittier Mike. :)
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Re: 50 Shades Of Grey.

Postby icy » Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:03 am

JLP wrote:
mikespit wrote:Your missus ain't going to be happy when she finds out you have stolen her book!

JLP wrote:Might be a bit too racy to discuss but I suppose it is the must read series.

I haven't read them but I have a question. If a man had written these books for men, would there be an outcry? Would they be classed as porn? I glanced at a couple of pages and it is pretty explicit with sado masochism etc going on. But women I have talked to about the books seem pretty happy with it all.


LOL I prefer things a bit grittier Mike. :)

I'll understand if you don't want to answer((me), a part of me is kidding around with you with this question, then again not,, but what kind of grit? I think you mentioned reading crime books, which is something I rarely do, and that is gritty *tough reading* for me so I'd rather read 50 shades instead.
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Re: 50 Shades Of Grey.

Postby JLP » Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:31 am

Yeah, I really enjoy crime fiction, preferably British.
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Re: 50 Shades Of Grey.

Postby icy » Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:41 am

JLP wrote:Yeah, I really enjoy crime fiction, preferably British.

Do you read much? I never did get into crime books, I've read one recently based on real life events that was about a murder in a city nearby.
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Re: 50 Shades Of Grey.

Postby Kes » Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:39 pm

Thought I'd post this, as my other half found this, and it's worth a giggle.

More extracts from my new book 50 shades of Chav. "Even though he only had one tattoo I yearned for him to fill those lonely hours between Jeremy Kyle and Loose Women" 50 shades of Chav. "As he approached with those pasty white arms hanging out of his Gola vest, his smile told me it was benefit day and I knew my velour tracksuit would be hanging off the lamp shade tonight." Another extract from my 2nd book 13 flavours of WKD. "It was Dwayne's birthday. I was preparing his special tea of Findus Crispy Pancakes and Pot Noodle. I would let him take me any way he wanted tonight. His favourite position was what he called The Dogs of War. Where he took me from behind and played Call of Duty at the same time." More from raunchy Chav fest 13 flavours of WKD. "Our 6 week anniversary was approaching. This would be my longest relationship without becoming pregnant. I thought of this as he lay on top of me making love. His skinny arms straddled my head like breadsticks either side of an orange. As I rubbed his whiter than white back, I imagined every mole I felt was spelling out Braille for I love you" Last extracts from the final book of the trilogy, My Tan was 11 Shades of Orange. "As I stood in line at the Job Centre thinking of reasons I couldn't work, a sweet smell drifted past my pig like nostrils. It was a mixture of weed, B.O and Lynx Africa. I turned around and there was Dwayne. Our eyes met and he was soon lifting me onto the wheelie bins behind the Iceland. He had tied up his Staffy to block the ally way so we wouldn't be disturbed. There was a tramp watching but it just added to the mystery. I knew it was love and my life would never be the same."

Positively LOVE the "Dogs of War" bit! :)
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Re: 50 Shades Of Grey.

Postby JLP » Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:47 pm

Kes wrote:Thought I'd post this, as my other half found this, and it's worth a giggle.

More extracts from my new book 50 shades of Chav. "Even though he only had one tattoo I yearned for him to fill those lonely hours between Jeremy Kyle and Loose Women" 50 shades of Chav. "As he approached with those pasty white arms hanging out of his Gola vest, his smile told me it was benefit day and I knew my velour tracksuit would be hanging off the lamp shade tonight." Another extract from my 2nd book 13 flavours of WKD. "It was Dwayne's birthday. I was preparing his special tea of Findus Crispy Pancakes and Pot Noodle. I would let him take me any way he wanted tonight. His favourite position was what he called The Dogs of War. Where he took me from behind and played Call of Duty at the same time." More from raunchy Chav fest 13 flavours of WKD. "Our 6 week anniversary was approaching. This would be my longest relationship without becoming pregnant. I thought of this as he lay on top of me making love. His skinny arms straddled my head like breadsticks either side of an orange. As I rubbed his whiter than white back, I imagined every mole I felt was spelling out Braille for I love you" Last extracts from the final book of the trilogy, My Tan was 11 Shades of Orange. "As I stood in line at the Job Centre thinking of reasons I couldn't work, a sweet smell drifted past my pig like nostrils. It was a mixture of weed, B.O and Lynx Africa. I turned around and there was Dwayne. Our eyes met and he was soon lifting me onto the wheelie bins behind the Iceland. He had tied up his Staffy to block the ally way so we wouldn't be disturbed. There was a tramp watching but it just added to the mystery. I knew it was love and my life would never be the same."

Positively LOVE the "Dogs of War" bit! :)


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Re: 50 Shades Of Grey.

Postby JLP » Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:49 pm

I laughed at this clip.



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Re: 50 Shades Of Grey.

Postby icy » Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:13 am

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