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Re: Weird experiences in the world of medicine and doctors

Postby Elessar » Mon May 26, 2014 1:50 am

It just seems to me like one of the complaints in this thread is that waiting lists are too long, and another is that doctors aren't sufficiently rested.

Can anyone think of a way that doctors could get through waiting lists faster, get more sleep, and maintain the same standard of care, or perhaps a higher standard of care? As far as I can tell, it would be quite literally impossible.
 
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Re: Weird experiences in the world of medicine and doctors

Postby icy » Mon May 26, 2014 2:09 am

Elessar wrote:It just seems to me like one of the complaints in this thread is that waiting lists are too long, and another is that doctors aren't sufficiently rested.

Can anyone think of a way that doctors could get through waiting lists faster, get more sleep, and maintain the same standard of care, or perhaps a higher standard of care? As far as I can tell, it would be quite literally impossible.

IMO, more money for health care so more doctors, nurses, specialists, technicians, all around health care workers can be hired.
At least in Canada, I feel it would go a very long way to improve things.
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Re: Weird experiences in the world of medicine and doctors

Postby Elessar » Mon May 26, 2014 2:21 am

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Elessar wrote:It just seems to me like one of the complaints in this thread is that waiting lists are too long, and another is that doctors aren't sufficiently rested.

Can anyone think of a way that doctors could get through waiting lists faster, get more sleep, and maintain the same standard of care, or perhaps a higher standard of care? As far as I can tell, it would be quite literally impossible.

IMO, more money for health care so more doctors, nurses, specialists, technicians, all around health care workers can be hired.
At least in Canada, I feel it would go a very long way to improve things.


Well yes, that's the only real solution, and it's far more complicated than simply creating more medical school places, as doctors of all grades are needed. Given that the workforce is likely to always be understaffed (certainly in the UK), I think service-users should be educated (starting right back at primary school) on how to behave appropriately, because they play a huge role in the efficiency of the system. People who chose medicine aged 16 because they had starry-eyed ambitions to help people and be an all round do-gooder can become rapidly disillusioned when people are whinging at them for a whole host of things that aren't their fault. You say "I'm sorry" enough times and you start to genuinely feel like you must be a bad person. Morale in the NHS is chronically low and the service-users are just as much to blame as the government.

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Re: Weird experiences in the world of medicine and doctors

Postby icy » Mon May 26, 2014 10:29 am

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icy wrote:
Elessar wrote:It just seems to me like one of the complaints in this thread is that waiting lists are too long, and another is that doctors aren't sufficiently rested.

Can anyone think of a way that doctors could get through waiting lists faster, get more sleep, and maintain the same standard of care, or perhaps a higher standard of care? As far as I can tell, it would be quite literally impossible.

IMO, more money for health care so more doctors, nurses, specialists, technicians, all around health care workers can be hired.
At least in Canada, I feel it would go a very long way to improve things.


Well yes, that's the only real solution, and it's far more complicated than simply creating more medical school places, as doctors of all grades are needed. Given that the workforce is likely to always be understaffed (certainly in the UK), I think service-users should be educated (starting right back at primary school) on how to behave appropriately, because they play a huge role in the efficiency of the system. People who chose medicine aged 16 because they had starry-eyed ambitions to help people and be an all round do-gooder can become rapidly disillusioned when people are whinging at them for a whole host of things that aren't their fault. You say "I'm sorry" enough times and you start to genuinely feel like you must be a bad person. Morale in the NHS is chronically low and the service-users are just as much to blame as the government.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... -illnesses

I know it's complicated than creating more medical schools, and I agree more than you will ever know that doctors of all grades are needed.
When I rant about waiting times, I hope it doesn't come across that I'm ranting at you or JLP. I don't know much once again(my friend in England who I once could ask about this sort of thing passed away) about the waiting times in ER's or to see specialists, it's terrible here in Canada. Personally, I'd pay more taxes if it meant better health care. My biggest beef is the waiting times, but many times when I went to people in the health care system, I've been treated very well. I don't blame the workers, but the government if that makes sense. Much needs to be done here, even though many people assume health care is free in Canada(it's not that simple). Hell, I know I've been a drain on the system for years, and I hate myself for it at times.
For many reasons, I take my hat off to the people who work in the health care profession.
I didn't realise some doctors hide their own illnesses...that comes as a shock to me. If possible, I will look more into it later today.
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Re: Weird experiences in the world of medicine and doctors

Postby Elessar » Mon May 26, 2014 11:19 am

As ever, I don't think posters' professions should be brought into this kind of discussion unless explicitly stated by them, so I shan't 'out' a fellow poster. What I will say is that while it could be possible for a doctor to take personally a criticism of waiting times to see a doctor, such that a clarification that it's not a personal attack may be welcomed, it seems unlikely that a different healthcare professional such as a pharmacist, physiotherapist or nurse would think it was aimed at them.
 
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Re: Weird experiences in the world of medicine and doctors

Postby JLP » Mon May 26, 2014 11:24 am

The NHS has changed dramatically since I first started working in it back in 1984. Medicine is making wonderful progress meaning we all have the potential to live longer. Unfortunately that is putting massive demands on health services as someone who has a heart attack at 50 is far easier to sort than someone who is 85 having a heart attack.

Until such a time as there are the right resources in the community, things will only get worse. I can retire next year and, if I can get another job outside of the health service, I will do that thing. Many reasons for that decision that I don't really want to go into.
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Re: Weird experiences in the world of medicine and doctors

Postby icy » Mon May 26, 2014 6:08 pm

Elessar wrote:As ever, I don't think posters' professions should be brought into this kind of discussion unless explicitly stated by them, so I shan't 'out' a fellow poster. What I will say is that while it could be possible for a doctor to take personally a criticism of waiting times to see a doctor, such that a clarification that it's not a personal attack may be welcomed, it seems unlikely that a different healthcare professional such as a pharmacist, physiotherapist or nurse would think it was aimed at them.

I very well could have a rant at pharmacists and physiotherapists too. My biggest beef though, will remain with the government, as long as things remain the way it is currently and the way it has been for quite some time now. I honestly feel if the Canadian government put more money into health care, it would improve. I will say this, I hope when the young children age in a few years that many things would be so much better. If things remain the way it is now...it's a scary thought.

JLP wrote:The NHS has changed dramatically since I first started working in it back in 1984. Medicine is making wonderful progress meaning we all have the potential to live longer. Unfortunately that is putting massive demands on health services as someone who has a heart attack at 50 is far easier to sort than someone who is 85 having a heart attack.

Until such a time as there are the right resources in the community, things will only get worse. I can retire next year and, if I can get another job outside of the health service, I will do that thing. Many reasons for that decision that I don't really want to go into.

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Re: Weird experiences in the world of medicine and doctors

Postby Elessar » Mon May 26, 2014 6:42 pm

icy wrote: I will say this, I hope when the young children age in a few years that many things would be so much better. If things remain the way it is now...it's a scary thought.


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Re: Weird experiences in the world of medicine and doctors

Postby icy » Mon May 26, 2014 7:01 pm

Elessar wrote:
icy wrote: I will say this, I hope when the young children age in a few years that many things would be so much better. If things remain the way it is now...it's a scary thought.


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Still so much to do in the world of medicine though. There are many treatments, but no cures for many things.
Things have progressed much in the last 20 or so years which I find hopeful, but I would like to see cures.
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Re: Weird experiences in the world of medicine and doctors

Postby Elessar » Mon May 26, 2014 7:01 pm

icy wrote:
Elessar wrote:
icy wrote: I will say this, I hope when the young children age in a few years that many things would be so much better. If things remain the way it is now...it's a scary thought.


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Still so much to do in the world of medicine though. There are many treatments, but no cures for many things.
Things have progressed much in the last 20 or so years which I find hopeful, but I would like to see cures.


And then what, we'll live forever?
 
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Re: Weird experiences in the world of medicine and doctors

Postby icy » Mon May 26, 2014 7:50 pm

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And then what, we'll live forever?

No. I just hate the fact having watched many people I love/care about dying painfully.
Heart problems and cancer run through my extended family, I would not wish dying from that on anyone. I know all to well it (illness and death) happens. Personally, I'd rather die in my sleep than suffer(yes, I'm a wuss)
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Re: Weird experiences in the world of medicine and doctors

Postby Elessar » Mon May 26, 2014 8:15 pm

icy wrote:
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And then what, we'll live forever?

No. I just hate the fact having watched many people I love/care about dying painfully.
Heart problems and cancer run through my extended family, I would not wish dying from that on anyone. I know all to well it (illness and death) happens. Personally, I'd rather die in my sleep than suffer(yes, I'm a wuss)


Give it 50 years. When the majority of people die in their 90s and 100s following two decades of slow decline into dementia, people will say they hope they have a heart attack or get cancer and die relatively quickly.
 
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Re: Weird experiences in the world of medicine and doctors

Postby JLP » Mon May 26, 2014 8:20 pm

I fear getting dementia more than I do dying.
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Re: Weird experiences in the world of medicine and doctors

Postby icy » Mon May 26, 2014 8:50 pm

Elessar wrote:
icy wrote:
Elessar wrote:
And then what, we'll live forever?

No. I just hate the fact having watched many people I love/care about dying painfully.
Heart problems and cancer run through my extended family, I would not wish dying from that on anyone. I know all to well it (illness and death) happens. Personally, I'd rather die in my sleep than suffer(yes, I'm a wuss)


Give it 50 years. When the majority of people die in their 90s and 100s following two decades of slow decline into dementia, people will say they hope they have a heart attack or get cancer and die relatively quickly.

I wouldn't hope any of that on anyone. None of it is a pain free way to die.
As for being scared of dying, I am, but illness/pain scares the crap out me even more.
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Re: Weird experiences in the world of medicine and doctors

Postby bluerhap » Mon May 26, 2014 9:21 pm

JLP wrote:The NHS has changed dramatically since I first started working in it back in 1984. Medicine is making wonderful progress meaning we all have the potential to live longer. Unfortunately that is putting massive demands on health services as someone who has a heart attack at 50 is far easier to sort than someone who is 85 having a heart attack.

Until such a time as there are the right resources in the community, things will only get worse. I can retire next year and, if I can get another job outside of the health service, I will do that thing. Many reasons for that decision that I don't really want to go into.

It's sad that after 34 years in the NHS I am also contemplating retirement probably for the same reasons as JLP. Many of my peers have retired leading to a great waste of experience.
 
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