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Re: I am tired of my country's obsession with guns

Postby Tarkus » Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:20 pm

AlexKx wrote:Of course if any anti-gun people cared about the numbers of people dying from something they ought be freaked out about automobile deaths. Those numbers are REALLY high. So cars should be banned, right? Better yet. Medications should be banned because now it is learned that more people die from the abuse of medications than even automobile deaths! Maybe alcohol should be banned? The number one reason women and children throughout all of time have been abused has been because of the abuse of alcohol. Don't you care about women and children?! Surely as someone so informed, caring, and intellectual will stop these things with the use of the government, right?! Please save us all knowing one!


Cars, medications and alcohol were not designed with the specific intention to inflict lethal harm on other people, and those that usually end up in hospital or on a slab as a result of misuse of one or the other, are usually self-inflicted, or happen as a result of carelessness by the person using said item. Cars were devised as transport, medication was designed to heal or cure disease, and alcohol was designed as a preservative or a recreational beverage to accompany a meal.

Guns are a whole different thing- the were invented to be a weapon of war, and to hunt and kill animals for sport or food- the lethality is inherent in their very conception. The thing is, you can wean people off of alcohol, ban people from driving or get people on rehab from medication abuse, but your constitution, or the mythos built up around it by the NRA gun-nuts is such that god help any poor fucker who even suggests any kind of control, restriction or otherwise regulation of anyone who wants to own or use a lethal weapon.

The fact that you seem to take such issue with this to the point that you've deflected this debate into a them versus us argument while coming across as a smug, self-satisfied acolyte of Alex Jones or Ted Nugent, and effectively try to make shit stick on the anti-gun viewpoint as 'people who don't care about the kids' is real proof that people like you are the real problem. What truly sickens me is that people in the US only seem to come around to the anti-gun stance when a mass killing occurs in their own area, and they see the aftermath of what it can cause. Just how many more mass killings will it take, how many wasted lives, dead kids, wasted futures and broken families will it take before it finally sinks in that this isn't the fucking wild west anymore? When will you fucking grow up and realise that disagreements between people should only be solved by common sense discussions and a court of law if necessary, not a fucking shoot-out? More importantly, when will you fucking realise that someone who is alone, depressed or emotionally disturbed needs healthcare, counseling and a good psychiatrist, and not be driven to taking out his or her anger and frustration and isolation on his or her schoolfriends or any poor innocent bystander, because they can freely access an arsenal of their parent's weapons? When will it finally fucking sink in, eh??
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Re: I am tired of my country's obsession with guns

Postby AlexKx » Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:53 pm

Wow! Be careful! You are making the case for why it is a.o.k. for people to have guns! You realize you said it your self that it is the person's responsibility in all of your exampling with cars, alcohol, and drugs! Also helping to put into place the idea and concept of accidents with guns! Lol! That was VERY entertaining! Of course like all good U.S. democrats, liberal, socialists, and communists it is about intention and not the end result. It does not matter what the intentions were it depends on how a tool is used. Duh. Try not being one.

You know and realize that weapons of ALL sorts were created for security, peace, an prosperity, right?! That and for control and consolidation of certain amount of power. It depends on who's using them for what. The idea that your knowledge on the right to bare arms is limited to Ted Nugent and Alex Jones does not help your argument in any way. They have killed who again? Oh wait. They haven't. But that won't stop you from justifying disarming the public or giving the two of them a public psychiatric examination.

Here's a little secret. You want to know why bunches of people get killed with guns from lone crazy gunmen (and yes it is men most of the time, come on girls step up you can do it too! Lol. I kid! I kid!)?! It is because of "gun-free zones". You think the crazy beach Muslim went shooting anyone who he thought had a gun?! Hell no, dawg! :) He went where he knew exactly where people were going to be disarmed. That and a certain ideology that dictates everyone else should be killed if they do not follow their "faith". The answer with this was already in the attempts of condemning innocents by acknowledging, "Who would have a gun at the beach?!"! Maybe some authorities next time, eh?

You are angered and scared of people who are sane and responsible with guns?! Mental check!

Good news though! There is NO place that the so called "wild west" scenario is happening! (Aren't you happy!) No one is having a shoot out! NO ONE! NOT ONE CASE! So don't try you know, lying. Mmmalright? Remember the plot and concentrate! Lone gunman. Lone gunman. As in one. As in everyone else are disarmed and can't do anything about the guy shooting everyone. Think, think, think. You can do it. I think.

There is no deflection of anything going on here. Especially as the "us versus them" thing which was actually already done by the very point of discussion of people supporting the right to bare arms and those who do not. Reading and comprehension is your friend.

Wow. Did you honestly just compare me or accuse me of enabling crazy people killing others for no good reason?! Yeah. Once you catch your breath realize your line of thinking is VERY dangerous not just to yourself but to everyone else.

Many things in your discussion have already sunk in for me and many others...who are adults. I hope you reach puberty soon and will realize it yourself. Hell. You actually don't have to reach puberty to know any of this to be honest. Try not deflecting the conversation to all of those different topics you mention, attempting to deflect the point of discussion. You are making my case. You are not contributing. You are either delusional, stupid, or lying. There seems to be SOME degree at attempt of coherency to your untruthful narrative so I conclude that you are a bold face liar. One...that actually does not care about people. And especially to the extent that I do...
 
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Re: I am tired of my country's obsession with guns

Postby Kes » Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:25 pm

Everyone has the right to "bare arms", they just have to wear a short sleeved shirt.

Maybe you ought to read your constitution and you might find out what sort of fucking "bear" they're talking about. It might even be Yogi... "Watch out for those lovely picnic baskets, Boo Boo!"

Even the smallest piece of logic in your argument, and it WAS small, is worth about as much as a truckload of dead rats in a tampon factory now.
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Re: I am tired of my country's obsession with guns

Postby Kes » Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:20 pm

How do you feel about armed air marshalls being on passenger jets, alexxx?

If the airport security people have gone overboard post 9/11 to make sure nobody boarding a plane has any weapons, do you think it's safe, or unsafe, to introduce a weapon into the environment, that then has a possibility of being taken off the air marshall, and used against the security of the aircraft and it's passengers?

Personally, I think it's unsafe. Let one on there, whoever's carrying it, and you might just as well let EVERYBODY on there with one.
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Re: I am tired of my country's obsession with guns

Postby HoneyTaylor » Wed Nov 11, 2015 3:11 am

At 11:37am today 11/10/2015 while at lunch with my husband I receive the following recorded call from my sons school district.
"Approximately 10:30 this morning, the Citrus County School District received a call that there was a self- inflicted gunshot by a student at Lecanto High School. The Sheriff’s Office responded immediately and appropriate administrative district staff responded to LHS. An immediate full lockdown of all schools at the Lecanto complex occurred until the sheriff’s office determined there was no further danger to any students or staff. This was an isolated incident and there are no students or staff in danger at this time. The sheriff’s office is conducting it’s investigation and information will be released as it becomes available. Until the sheriff’s office has completed a full safety inspection of the Lecanto complex, no students will be released. Thank you for your cooperation."


I am instantly in a panic. I hung up the phone and email the boys' teachers. Both reply and assure me that the boys are fine and don't even know what is going on at the high school. One of the teachers sends me a photo of them at school via FB. Thankfully, they are safe.

Today, a 15 year old Freshman boy took a 9mm automatic weapon to his English class and shot himself in the head in front of his 22 classmates and teacher. Luckily he was coherent enough to tell the sheriff deputy assigned to the school that he acted alone before he was life flighted to a hospital in Tampa. At the press conference the sheriff tells the media that the young man had been suffering from depression and does not plan to press charges on him at this time. I have suffered from depression for several years. Not once have I EVER thought about using a gun to cause harm to myself or others around me. This boy brought a GUN into a SCHOOL. He chose to use it on himself. But what if he hadn't??? What if he had turned it on his classmates and teacher?? What if he had gone into my boys' school and into their classrooms and shot them? He broke a law and HAS to be held accountable for it. Just as whom ever did not secure that gun and ammo needs to be held accountable.

What happened today at Lecanto High School was a warning. A wake up call. We got lucky today that the shooter decided to turn the gun on himself and not his classmates and educators. What happened at our school today should NEVER have happened. And wouldn't have happened if our schools had metal detectors in them. All of them. This needs to be our NUMBER ONE priority. We can replace buildings, buses, books and pencils. We CANNOT replace our children, teachers, staff and administrators. We NEED to protect the lives of our children, teachers, staff and administrators. End of story. And I am dedicated to make this happen!
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Re: I am tired of my country's obsession with guns

Postby julymorning » Wed Nov 11, 2015 3:56 am

I am relieved for you and your boys that they are ok. As well as the other children. Did anyone mention yet where he got the gun?

I suppose there will be those that will jump in and say this wouldn't have happened if he had gotten treatment, and this is another reason to arm the educators.

I'm here to say it isn't as easy as some people think to get your children psychological help as quickly as they might need, even if they are aware there is a problem.
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Re: I am tired of my country's obsession with guns

Postby icy » Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:41 am

So glad your sons are safe HT. :bigups:
I know its terrifying to have things such as this be so close to home. A couple of years ago, there was a shooting about 2-3 minutes away from where. I live. A man was shot literally in broad daylight, and the man lost his life. A town where my relatives live had a shooting in a small town. It's scary gun crime can happen so close.. Things I've been through and seen in my life, put it this way, if I had a gun, I would not feel any safer.
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Re: I am tired of my country's obsession with guns

Postby Tarkus » Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:20 pm

AlexKx wrote:The usual NRA bullshit


You have proved chapter and verse that you and your mindset are very much a part of the problem. There is no more wild west. As for me being a tool, at least they have a practical use. Unlike gun nuts.
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Re: I am tired of my country's obsession with guns

Postby Tarkus » Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:22 pm

Glad your kids are OK HT, ignore Alexxxxxxx, he/she/it is a nutjob.
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Re: I am tired of my country's obsession with guns

Postby JLP » Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:32 pm

Glad all is well HT. No doubt the usual defenders will be here focusing on the guy's health issues rather than the ease at which he could access a deadly weapon.
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Re: I am tired of my country's obsession with guns

Postby magicshoes » Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:08 pm

JLP wrote:Glad all is well HT. No doubt the usual defenders will be here focusing on the guy's health issues rather than the ease at which he could access a deadly weapon.


Both issues should be addressed to be quite honest.

Guns are dangerous in the wrong hands and easy access to them allows the wrong people to gain access. However, if mental health issues were more openly addressed and dealt with perhaps those people would be helped prior to gaining access to the guns in the first place.

Common sense gun laws should not even be a topic of debate, especially from responsible gun owners. Back ground checks, waiting periods, child locks, banning of semi-automatic weapons and of magazines that hold more ammo than any one person would logically need to hunt and/or defend themselves could go a long way in curbing gun violence.
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Re: I am tired of my country's obsession with guns

Postby JLP » Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:24 pm

magicshoes wrote:
JLP wrote:Glad all is well HT. No doubt the usual defenders will be here focusing on the guy's health issues rather than the ease at which he could access a deadly weapon.


Both issues should be addressed to be quite honest.

Guns are dangerous in the wrong hands and easy access to them allows the wrong people to gain access. However, if mental health issues were more openly addressed and dealt with perhaps those people would be helped prior to gaining access to the guns in the first place.

Common sense gun laws should not even be a topic of debate, especially from responsible gun owners. Back ground checks, waiting periods, child locks, banning of semi-automatic weapons and of magazines that hold more ammo than any one person would logically need to hunt and/or defend themselves could go a long way in curbing gun violence.


couldn't agree more magic
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Re: I am tired of my country's obsession with guns

Postby Innuendoes » Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:11 pm

JLP wrote:
magicshoes wrote:
JLP wrote:Glad all is well HT. No doubt the usual defenders will be here focusing on the guy's health issues rather than the ease at which he could access a deadly weapon.


Both issues should be addressed to be quite honest.

Guns are dangerous in the wrong hands and easy access to them allows the wrong people to gain access. However, if mental health issues were more openly addressed and dealt with perhaps those people would be helped prior to gaining access to the guns in the first place.

Common sense gun laws should not even be a topic of debate, especially from responsible gun owners. Back ground checks, waiting periods, child locks, banning of semi-automatic weapons and of magazines that hold more ammo than any one person would logically need to hunt and/or defend themselves could go a long way in curbing gun violence.


couldn't agree more magic


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Re: I am tired of my country's obsession with guns

Postby julymorning » Fri Nov 27, 2015 5:15 pm

This is a screen shot of an ad that just came through my fb feed. It's an online 'garage sale' type public group located 17 miles down the road from me.

Why in the hell would someone need/want something like this? And I am shocked they're even legal.
Don't tell me it would be a "fun" thing to shoot cans with in the backyard. $1800 is serious money for folks around here.
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Re: I am tired of my country's obsession with guns

Postby icy » Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:00 pm

julymorning wrote:This is a screen shot of an ad that just came through my fb feed. It's an online 'garage sale' type public group located 17 miles down the road from me.

Why in the hell would someone need/want something like this? And I am shocked they're even legal.
Don't tell me it would be a "fun" thing to shoot cans with in the backyard. $1800 is serious money for folks around here.

Weapons are not allowed on many Facebook garage yard sales, I belong to quite a few. Personally, I don't think it should be allowed at all on Facebook.
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