The EU Referendum

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Should we leave the EU?

Poll ended at Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:12 pm

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No
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Re: The EU Referendum

Postby CNB » Wed May 17, 2017 12:15 am

If Theresa May loses the upcoming election, what happens to Brexit?
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Re: The EU Referendum

Postby JLP » Wed May 17, 2017 10:15 am

CNB wrote:If Theresa May loses the upcoming election, what happens to Brexit?


Nothing. Because there is no chance of her losing.
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Re: The EU Referendum

Postby CNB » Thu May 18, 2017 12:20 am

JLP wrote:
CNB wrote:If Theresa May loses the upcoming election, what happens to Brexit?


Nothing. Because there is no chance of her losing.


Even after this:

http://nordic.businessinsider.com/there ... ?r=UK&IR=T
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Re: The EU Referendum

Postby TheHero » Sat May 20, 2017 3:16 pm

Poor England.. RIP Europe and RIP UK, no longer a country to be proud of.
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Re: The EU Referendum

Postby musicalprostitute » Mon May 22, 2017 6:13 pm

TheHero wrote:Poor England.. RIP Europe and RIP UK, no longer a country to be proud of.


You are forgetting Wales.

And for anyone to even suggest that we are no longer a country to be proud of simply because we had the strength and balls to say fuck you to the EU is beyond mental. You will all follow suit in the end.

Thankfully, the majority of those who voted had common sense and believed in this country enough to know that the UK will stand strong.

You can keep all that EU nonsense. We will do just fine, thank you.
 
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Re: The EU Referendum

Postby TheHero » Mon May 22, 2017 6:28 pm

musicalprostitute wrote:
TheHero wrote:Poor England.. RIP Europe and RIP UK, no longer a country to be proud of.


You are forgetting Wales.

And for anyone to even suggest that we are no longer a country to be proud of simply because we had the strength and balls to say fuck you to the EU is beyond mental. You will all follow suit in the end.

Thankfully, the majority of those who voted had common sense and believed in this country enough to know that the UK will stand strong.

You can keep all that EU nonsense. We will do just fine, thank you.


Leaving the EU is ok, it is not about that. I am not a fan of the EU either, though it was established after WWII to prevent wars in Europe, by making trade agreements. But choosing a leader like Theresa May is madness. The same way choosing Trump is madness. What I am saying, is that Europe, not the EU, will suffer with leaders like Trump and May. To stand together for our values is more important then the EU, but Trump and May does not stand for good values, and imagine fighting a war with those leaders, what will you fight for? In WWII Germany fought for their own country and their leadership.. that was a really good idea..? We are beginning an era with egoistic and selfish leaders like Trump and May, and for the first time I am not sure if Europe is the good guy in the class, and I find that kind of sad. I guess we might as well look to Russia or China, because I am not really sure we are any better than them, are we ? In fact it was the Soviet Union that saved Europe in WWII, together with Churchill. USA came in late. From 2017 and onwards you have to count on Trump and bloodsport fanatic Theresa May to save you. And if you by luck would win, what have you achieved by winning? - You would continue bloodsports in the UK, while Trump would go on cutting the rights for women and others and build his wall against Mexico. Hurrah.

If there is no alternative to May, it is even more depressing. The political system in the UK and in the USA is rotten to the core, perhaps not much better in Russia. And with a loose cannon maniac on deck in North Korea shooting missiles every week now, I bet it is going to be some interesting years ahead.
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Re: The EU Referendum

Postby Ace » Tue May 23, 2017 9:07 pm

I'm not sure why you think May is such a bad leader. You're not being very specific.
 
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Re: The EU Referendum

Postby Kes » Tue May 23, 2017 9:13 pm

I think all it takes is to watch a flavoured documentary that paints her in a bad light, and you're convinced she's freeze-dried evil in a sealed packet.

Look at Merkel, just about everybody outside of Germany thinks she's Hitler reborn but without the moustache, but what do WE really know about her? Next to fuck all. If she was that bad, the Germans wouldn't have voted for her, more than once.

Out of our options, taking all the major issues into account, Theresa May is probably about the best we have. It doesn't mean ALL her policies agree with most of us, just that the others have some pretty major issues that probably don't. I don't particularly like the idea of spending billions on Trident, but the idea of being fucked up the arse by the Putin's and Kim Jong Ills of this world, while we simultaneously expect that big mouthed orange clown with the wig to protect us, scares me far more.
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Re: The EU Referendum

Postby Ace » Tue May 23, 2017 9:24 pm

Kes wrote:I think all it takes is to watch a flavoured documentary that paints her in a bad light, and you're convinced she's evil.

Look at Merkel, just about everybody outside of Germany thinks she's Hitler reborn but without the moustache, but what do WE really know about her? Next to fuck all. If she was that bad, the Germans wouldn't have voted for her, more than once.


If you read my news feed on Facebook you'd think May was some form of inhuman being. She's called a cunt, whore, evil, vile, baby killer and lots of other things. I've never seen such a barrage of abuse about a politician. People aren't criticising her policies, they are demonising her.

She's was even accused on Twitter today of arranging the Manchester bombing to draw attention away from her recent manifesto. Unbelievable.

It's ironic. People complain about the way people criticise Corbin, but I've read nothing so vitriolic about him. Yes, people criticise his policies, but the current campaign against the Tories and May is unbelievable.
 
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Re: The EU Referendum

Postby Kes » Tue May 23, 2017 10:33 pm

Well, the same people who are doing that, also consider the time Blair was in power, to effectively be Tory years.

The only complaint I have about the time Tony Blair was prime minister, is getting drawn into a second war with Iraq, and that was mainly on the grounds that the reason we had the first one, was about Iraq denying the sovereignty of Kuwait by invading it, and in the second one, we went and did exactly the same thing to Iraq, on the basis of what turned out to be a fabricated lie.

Being completely fair, Labour at the time was a slightly left of centre party, as opposed to being the much further left socialist party they are with Corbyn. On the other hand, under May, the Tories have become a slightly right of Centre party, as opposed to being the radically right wing party they were under Thatcher.

If Farron wasn't talking about a second referendum over Brexit, I might have been voting for them, but in trying to catch bitter remainer's votes, he's probably lost a few, including mine. I think he's in danger of becoming our Nicola Sturgeon, not accepting or acknowledging the people's decision on a referendum.
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Re: The EU Referendum

Postby Kes » Tue May 23, 2017 10:44 pm

What was it Roger said in "The Unblinking Eye", long before Nigel Farage became quite so prominent.

"Are we in Europe, half in Europe, not in Europe?" Even I laughed at it when he put it out a few years ago. Not laughing now though, the bloke saw something coming, that most of us didn't. He outlined the three possibilities we have now, before anyone even considered we might get a choice to vote on it.
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Re: The EU Referendum

Postby JLP » Wed May 24, 2017 7:49 am

Ace wrote:
Kes wrote:I think all it takes is to watch a flavoured documentary that paints her in a bad light, and you're convinced she's evil.

Look at Merkel, just about everybody outside of Germany thinks she's Hitler reborn but without the moustache, but what do WE really know about her? Next to fuck all. If she was that bad, the Germans wouldn't have voted for her, more than once.


If you read my news feed on Facebook you'd think May was some form of inhuman being. She's called a cunt, whore, evil, vile, baby killer and lots of other things. I've never seen such a barrage of abuse about a politician. People aren't criticising her policies, they are demonising her.

She's was even accused on Twitter today of arranging the Manchester bombing to draw attention away from her recent manifesto. Unbelievable.

It's ironic. People complain about the way people criticise Corbin, but I've read nothing so vitriolic about him. Yes, people criticise his policies, but the current campaign against the Tories and May is unbelievable.


Not seen any of that Ace. Don't want to either. My issue with her is her obvious u turns. From a remained to wanting a hard Brexit. From no election to calling one. To no cap on paying for social care to a cap.

To be honest I could not vote for her or Corbyn. And I get plenty of crap for daring to be anti Corbyn. It would not surprise me one little bit if the stuff you see is from Corbyn supporters. If they slam Labour voters for not thinking the sun shines out of his arse, they are hardly likely to be nice about May.
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Re: The EU Referendum

Postby Kes » Wed May 24, 2017 8:15 am

When my father died, my mother had to sell their house so she could fund her care. At the time, the house was only worth about £60k, but the state wouldn't chip in a penny for the thousand quid a month cost of the old people's home, until her bank account was down to about £20,000. Literally, that was all she had when she herself died

That was under Labour, and it's been that figure since then. How in fuck's name, is the government increasing this figure up to £100k, a BAD thing? "U" turns, Yew turns or fucking Ewe turns? Nobody's going on about what has gone on previously, only that because more people are living for longer, the government should start finding money to fund it.
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Re: The EU Referendum

Postby WeeMann » Wed May 24, 2017 8:23 am

JLP wrote:...From a remained to wanting a hard Brexit.


To be fair, that was hardly her fault - she was voted in as leader of the party and was then obliged to go through with Brexit, regardless of her views. She's just doing the job the majority asked for.

Don't forget, all the MPs who wanted Brexit turned tail and fled after the result came in.
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Re: The EU Referendum

Postby Roger » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:31 pm

Fascinating e-interview about Brexit between former Labour spin doctor Malcolm Tucker and North Norfolk Digital DJ Alan Partridge:

http://www.bigissue.com/culture/alan-pa ... -internet/
 
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