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JLP wrote:Please can we keep the anti and pro Trump crap out of here. Using politics to score points in the light of tragedy is lower than a snakes belly.
JLP wrote:Please can we keep the anti and pro Trump crap out of here. Using politics to score points in the light of tragedy is lower than a snakes belly.
And the wounded skies above say it's much too late
Innuendoes wrote:JLP wrote:Please can we keep the anti and pro Trump crap out of here. Using politics to score points in the light of tragedy is lower than a snakes belly.
So you had to remove the feminazi descriptions as well and that had what to do with Trump? You and quite a few others still don't know the difference between feminist and feminazi. Ok... In most people's minds, they're the same thing and just women who stand up for women's rights rather than one being that and the other wanting men dead.
Roger wrote:Innuendoes wrote:JLP wrote:Please can we keep the anti and pro Trump crap out of here. Using politics to score points in the light of tragedy is lower than a snakes belly.
So you had to remove the feminazi descriptions as well and that had what to do with Trump? You and quite a few others still don't know the difference between feminist and feminazi. Ok... In most people's minds, they're the same thing and just women who stand up for women's rights rather than one being that and the other wanting men dead.
It’s a term designed to silence or dismiss people. As I’ve said many times (each time falling on deaf ears), it was coined by Rush Limbaugh, who believes that abortion is a modern-day holocaust. In that context, crass as it is, ‘nazi’ is at least a vaguely accurate term if you agree with him.
It’s become clear that different people have different definitions of this term. That’s the whole point of the word. It’s designed to be a label that people can throw around in an inconsistent way to chip away at the feminist movement. Yes, I’m sure most of us would agree that anyone who believes all men should be killed is way too extreme. These people are very few and far between. Either that, or they’re very bad at achieving their goals. I know this because the rate of female-on-male murder is a fraction of the rate of male-on-female murder. Yet no one has coined a term for these ‘masculinazis’ whose existence is surely backed up by actual homicide statistics.
So by introducing a word that only applies to a tiny number of women, but which has an ill-defined meaning, people now have a word that they can use to shut down any feminists that they think might be going too far. And then can do so whilst proudly calling themselves a ‘feminist’. “I’m a feminist, but I hate feminazis!” And of course their definition of ‘feminazi’ might be different to the next person’s: Basically women can have equality up to a point, beyond which they’ll be labelled as a feminize, and that point can be shifted and changed at will.
That is why the word is dangerous. It’s the end of a sentence that begins “I’m totally pro-feminism but...”. “I’m not racist but...”. “I’m not homophonic but...”. These hypothetical extremes are often referenced in that sort of sentence. The Muslims who want everyone to become Muslim. The homosexuals who want children to be raised to be gay. The women who want all men dead. These people are such a tiny minority that they’re barely part of the group they claim to be in. They’re invented and exaggerated by those who want to maintain the status quo to scare people into not accepting progress.
Innuendoes wrote:Regarding your explanation of feminazi - maybe - MAYBE, over there. Not over here.
Roger wrote:Innuendoes wrote:JLP wrote:Please can we keep the anti and pro Trump crap out of here. Using politics to score points in the light of tragedy is lower than a snakes belly.
So you had to remove the feminazi descriptions as well and that had what to do with Trump? You and quite a few others still don't know the difference between feminist and feminazi. Ok... In most people's minds, they're the same thing and just women who stand up for women's rights rather than one being that and the other wanting men dead.
It’s a term designed to silence or dismiss people. As I’ve said many times (each time falling on deaf ears), it was coined by Rush Limbaugh, who believes that abortion is a modern-day holocaust. In that context, crass as it is, ‘nazi’ is at least a vaguely accurate term if you agree with him.
It’s become clear that different people have different definitions of this term. That’s the whole point of the word. It’s designed to be a label that people can throw around in an inconsistent way to chip away at the feminist movement. Yes, I’m sure most of us would agree that anyone who believes all men should be killed is way too extreme. These people are very few and far between. Either that, or they’re very bad at achieving their goals. I know this because the rate of female-on-male murder is a fraction of the rate of male-on-female murder. Yet no one has coined a term for these ‘masculinazis’ whose existence is surely backed up by actual homicide statistics.
So by introducing a word that only applies to a tiny number of women, but which has an ill-defined meaning, people now have a word that they can use to shut down any feminists that they think might be going too far. And then can do so whilst proudly calling themselves a ‘feminist’. “I’m a feminist, but I hate feminazis!” And of course their definition of ‘feminazi’ might be different to the next person’s: Basically women can have equality up to a point, beyond which they’ll be labelled as a feminazi, and that point can be shifted and changed at will.
That is why the word is dangerous. It’s the end of a sentence that begins “I’m totally pro-feminism but...”. “I’m not racist but...”. “I’m not homophobic but...”. These hypothetical extremes are often referenced in that sort of sentence. The Muslims who want everyone to become Muslim. The homosexuals who want children to be raised to be gay. The women who want all men dead. These people are such a tiny minority that they’re barely part of the group they claim to be in. They’re invented and exaggerated by those who want to maintain the status quo to scare people into not accepting progress.
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icy wrote:JLP wrote:Please can we keep the anti and pro Trump crap out of here. Using politics to score points in the light of tragedy is lower than a snakes belly.
My post saying a Facebook friend of mine about her daughter being there as it was happening has been removed? Did that break any rules?
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JLP wrote:icy wrote:JLP wrote:Please can we keep the anti and pro Trump crap out of here. Using politics to score points in the light of tragedy is lower than a snakes belly.
My post saying a Facebook friend of mine about her daughter being there as it was happening has been removed? Did that break any rules?
Sorted. Back in this thread.
And the wounded skies above say it's much too late
Roger wrote:Innuendoes wrote:Regarding your explanation of feminazi - maybe - MAYBE, over there. Not over here.
Well I’m fairly sure that Rush Limbaugh is American. But maybe that’s not the point.
Do you really think that these so-called ‘feminazis’ are a significant problem? Aren’t you more worried about the thousands of men who murder their spouses every year? Or the shocking statistics regarding rape, both reported and unreported? Or the glasss ceiling and the pay gap?
How have these ‘feminazis’ damages your country, in your opinion?
My theory is this: There’s a huge overlap between those who feel strongly about feminism and those who feel strongly about other kinds of equality, in particular LGBT stuff (although I’m aware there’s a bit of a divide between some feminists and LGBT people - some feminists don’t approve of transgender females or something. I think there’s a special term for them. I don’t really care - it’s not a world I have any interaction with really). The most privileged group after white straight males is white straight females, so it stands to reason that white straight females might feel threatened by a group that wants equality for all.
Roger wrote:TERF! That’s the one! Trans-exclusionary radical feminist.
I could probably formulate an opinion if pushed, but it’s way outside my sphere of experience or knowledge.
The only cis/trans issues that affect me involve benzylisoquinoliniums. And that really would be a boring tangent.
JLP wrote:
You have hit the nail well and truly on the head. Extremists on both the left and right want to shut down views that they disagree with.
Defend yourself, I bring catastrophe
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