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Re: The New News Thread.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:36 pm
by Sole Survivor
JLP wrote:Trump said we were not getting what we voted for. But all we were asked is did we want to leave or stay in the EU. He then went on to say that British people shared his views on immigration. Yet when I said immigration was an issue that affected the result of the referendum, I was shot down in flames on here.


Only because you implied that those who were concerned with immigration were all swivel-eyed racist loons. fd was right, you seem to see racists everywhere you look.

Re: The New News Thread.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:45 pm
by Elessar
Sole Survivor wrote:
JLP wrote:Trump said we were not getting what we voted for. But all we were asked is did we want to leave or stay in the EU. He then went on to say that British people shared his views on immigration. Yet when I said immigration was an issue that affected the result of the referendum, I was shot down in flames on here.


Only because you implied that those who were concerned with immigration were all swivel-eyed racist loons. fd was right, you seem to see racists everywhere you look.


I genuinely don’t see any reason how someone can be concerned about immigration without it being a racial issue.

If the concern is population control, why aren’t these people advocating some sort of China-style one child policy? Why are immigrants - usually of working age - more of a threat to the country’s ability to cope than newborn Brits?

The only conclusion I can come to - and please tell me a better one - is that there is a feeling that British people are more deserving of what the country has to offer than foreigners, simply because they are British.

Re: The New News Thread.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:47 pm
by Elessar
Sole Survivor wrote:Ask them what colour flags fly over their city halls- yellow and blue, or red and black- if the latter, their local oblast is run by a fascist/nationalist party member. That's the flag currently flying over my in-law's city hall...


Surely you’re not bemoaning the will of the Ukrainian people?

Re: The New News Thread.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:51 pm
by Elessar
Elessar wrote:If the concern is population control, why aren’t these people advocating some sort of China-style one child policy? itish.


Another approach would be mandatory euthanasia of the elderly, although the Tories seem to have that one under control.

Re: The New News Thread.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:57 pm
by JLP
Sole Survivor wrote:
JLP wrote:Trump said we were not getting what we voted for. But all we were asked is did we want to leave or stay in the EU. He then went on to say that British people shared his views on immigration. Yet when I said immigration was an issue that affected the result of the referendum, I was shot down in flames on here.


Only because you implied that those who were concerned with immigration were all swivel-eyed racist loons. fd was right, you seem to see racists everywhere you look.



Really? Not sure how you worked that one out. One of my close friends was going on about Polish immigrants a week or so before the vote. She is far from being a swivel eyed racist loon. Now Trump is saying immigration was an issue. So if he is right then so was I.

Re: The New News Thread.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:08 pm
by Elessar
Racism might be the wrong word, but discrimination on the basis of ethnicity or nationality is alive and well. I see it on a daily basis and sometimes I don’t notice it until it’s pointed out to me. British employees often stick together in a clique and get away with being lazy or unprofessional, whilst immigrants have to work hard just to stay afloat. It happens. I was actually talking about this to a Brazilian colleague earlier today and I actually defended a British person that this Brazilian person was criticising when she said that she’s noticed that the person in question is far friendlier to British colleagues than to the immigrants (mostly Asian but a few Europeans too). I tried to make excuses for her (eg “are you sure it’s not just that the British people have been here longer so they’ve known each other longer?”) before realising that actually there really is no excuse (eg some of the Asians have been here forever). It’s not racism in the 1970s sense of the word but it’s discrimination and it’s what immigrants have to put up with every day.

Re: The New News Thread.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:17 pm
by Sole Survivor
Elessar wrote:
Sole Survivor wrote:Ask them what colour flags fly over their city halls- yellow and blue, or red and black- if the latter, their local oblast is run by a fascist/nationalist party member. That's the flag currently flying over my in-law's city hall...


Surely you’re not bemoaning the will of the Ukrainian people?

I am when it's being unduly influenced by the political machinations of the western nations, in much the same way that others bemoan the Brexit referendum or the American elections because of alleged influence from Russia.

Re: The New News Thread.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:22 pm
by Elessar
Sole Survivor wrote:
Elessar wrote:
Sole Survivor wrote:Ask them what colour flags fly over their city halls- yellow and blue, or red and black- if the latter, their local oblast is run by a fascist/nationalist party member. That's the flag currently flying over my in-law's city hall...


Surely you’re not bemoaning the will of the Ukrainian people?

I am when it's being unduly influenced by the political machinations of the western nations, in much the same way that others bemoan the Brexit referendum or the American elections because of alleged influence from Russia.


Undue influence when it’s the result you didn’t want; alleged influence when it’s the one you did... interesting cognitive dissonance.

Re: The New News Thread.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:02 pm
by Sole Survivor
Nope- undue when I know and am aware of the influence, alleged when I don't see any evidence to support the theory. But you keep trying to manipulate whatever I or MP say to suit your own ends, if that's what gets you off. Each to their own, and all that...

Re: The New News Thread.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:13 pm
by Elessar
Sole Survivor wrote:Nope- undue when I know and am aware of the influence, alleged when I don't see any evidence to support the theory. But you keep trying to manipulate whatever I or MP say to suit your own ends, if that's what gets you off. Each to their own, and all that...


The CIA has literally said it happened. Even if your brother-in-law is literally the Ukrainian president I doubt that your evidence is of a higher standard.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat ... 1dc53bfc18

Re: The New News Thread.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:24 am
by WeeMann
Sole Survivor wrote:
JLP wrote:If I remember correctly, Obama was lambasted on here for commentating on Brexit during the referendum. But it is OK for this sexist, xenophobic test to intervene. Why is that I wonder.

Easily explained. Obama effectively THREATENED the UK that we'd be 'back of the queue' if we voted leave- he DIRECTLY tried to influence the vote, which is why I lambasted him for it. Trump at least tried to raise the issue of whether or not we are getting what we voted for in as diplomatic a way as he could. Dunno about you, but I don;t like ANY foreign power trying to tell ME who or what to vote for- and before Ellie gets out the virtue signal to call SJWman into action, I personally couldn't give less of a f*ck what the skin colour of the person is.


Trump is also trying to directly influence what's going on by making threats. No difference.

Re: The New News Thread.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:22 am
by action
Sole Survivor wrote:Ask them what colour flags fly over their city halls- yellow and blue, or red and black- if the latter, their local oblast is run by a fascist/nationalist party member. That's the flag currently flying over my in-law's city hall...


I find it ironic how close together the extreme left and fascism lie together these days.

also: NSDAP: national socialist arbeiders partei

I'd like the SJW's to explain that one

Re: The New News Thread.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:25 am
by action
Elessar wrote:
Elessar wrote:If the concern is population control, why aren’t these people advocating some sort of China-style one child policy? itish.


Another approach would be mandatory euthanasia of the elderly, although the Tories seem to have that one under control.


the gas crysis has a lot to do with that

Re: The New News Thread.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:56 am
by JLP
Wow,Trump claims he told May how to do a Brexit deal. Seriously, does anyone actually think he has the authority to do that.

Re: The New News Thread.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:05 am
by Elessar
action wrote:
Sole Survivor wrote:Ask them what colour flags fly over their city halls- yellow and blue, or red and black- if the latter, their local oblast is run by a fascist/nationalist party member. That's the flag currently flying over my in-law's city hall...


I find it ironic how close together the extreme left and fascism lie together these days.

also: NSDAP: national socialist arbeiders partei

I'd like the SJW's to explain that one


They don't need to explain it. SJWs (if SJW simply means someone who is in favour of social justice) are not extreme left.