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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby Elessar » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:12 am

JLP wrote:Wow,Trump claims he told May how to do a Brexit deal. Seriously, does anyone actually think he has the authority to do that.


I think it’s okay because there’s some red flags in Ukraine.

(There were thousands of red flags when I was there but that’s another matter altogether...)
 
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby action » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:43 am

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Sole Survivor wrote:Ask them what colour flags fly over their city halls- yellow and blue, or red and black- if the latter, their local oblast is run by a fascist/nationalist party member. That's the flag currently flying over my in-law's city hall...


I find it ironic how close together the extreme left and fascism lie together these days.

also: NSDAP: national socialist arbeiders partei

I'd like the SJW's to explain that one


They don't need to explain it. SJWs (if SJW simply means someone who is in favour of social justice) are not extreme left.


SJW's are not extreme left, I agree, but they certainly belong to their benefactors.
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby Elessar » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:06 am

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action wrote:I find it ironic how close together the extreme left and fascism lie together these days.

also: NSDAP: national socialist arbeiders partei

I'd like the SJW's to explain that one


They don't need to explain it. SJWs (if SJW simply means someone who is in favour of social justice) are not extreme left.


SJW's are not extreme left, I agree, but they certainly belong to their benefactors.


Question: Are you opposed to the idea of social justice? If not, why do you use the term SJW disparagingly?

I’ll give an example of the kind of thing that I think such disparaging terms should be reserved for: Some people have been kicking up a fuss about the media saying that last week was England’s first World Cup semi-final since 1990, because in fact the women’s team got there in 2015. Seriously, grow the eff up. It’s the same kind of dullards who got offended by people saying Andy Murray was the first British Wimbledon winner since Fred Perry, because Virginia Wade had won more recently. THAT is tedious, boring, pointless political correctness. Shifting the line so that any kind of opposition to oppression or discrimination is labelled as SJW or virtue signalling sends us down a very unpleasant path.
 
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby action » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:55 am

Elessar wrote:Question: Are you opposed to the idea of social justice? If not, why do you use the term SJW disparagingly?

I’ll give an example of the kind of thing that I think such disparaging terms should be reserved for: Some people have been kicking up a fuss about the media saying that last week was England’s first World Cup semi-final since 1990, because in fact the women’s team got there in 2015. Seriously, grow the eff up. It’s the same kind of dullards who got offended by people saying Andy Murray was the first British Wimbledon winner since Fred Perry, because Virginia Wade had won more recently. THAT is tedious, boring, pointless political correctness. Shifting the line so that any kind of opposition to oppression or discrimination is labelled as SJW or virtue signalling sends us down a very unpleasant path.


I'll tell you a secret. I'm one of the biggest advocates of social justice as there can be. At school, whenever I saw a person being bullied, I always defended that kid (often to my own misfortune). Whenever I see hypocrisy, I tend to call it out. Whenever I see corruption, I'll be attacking it.

That is my definition of social justice.

It is true, these days the term has a pejorative use. That's to blame to people who are spouting ridiculous ideas on the internet, which they believe constitutes social justice, but if you ask me it's all a load of bollox.

I have kind of assimilated the term social justice with your own use of the term. You have claimed in the past you would "save" the board from the likes of "us", and I just can not begin to express how absurd that is. To bluntly put us in the same basket as the KKK, the nazis, racists and what else not (good god), and then actively "fight" to cleanse this board from these people (including me), THAT is what's wrong with the term SJW.

It is with sadness in my heart to use the term SJW in a negative way, because 20 years ago I was the biggest SJW walking this planet. I was an SJW before the term was hijacked by people who want to save the world from clear headed people "like me"
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby Elessar » Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:01 pm

You’re defining the term backwards though. Surely rather than define it based on my wanting to ‘save’ (I think I used the word ‘protect’, but if I said ‘save’ then so be it) the board, it’s worth looking at the behaviours I wanted to ‘save’ it from? Advocacy of execution of children upon their 18th birthday; claims that it’s fair game to pepper spray 80 year old women because they’re black and therefore probably up to no good; an empassioned plea that we turn every Mosque inside out to see what falls out; anti-immigration and Islamophobia; pro-Trump sentiments.... This isn’t me whinging about people saying ‘blackboard’ and ‘Happy Christmas’.
 
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby action » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:39 pm

Elessar wrote:You’re defining the term backwards though. Surely rather than define it based on my wanting to ‘save’ (I think I used the word ‘protect’, but if I said ‘save’ then so be it) the board, it’s worth looking at the behaviours I wanted to ‘save’ it from? Advocacy of execution of children upon their 18th birthday; claims that it’s fair game to pepper spray 80 year old women because they’re black and therefore probably up to no good; an empassioned plea that we turn every Mosque inside out to see what falls out; anti-immigration and Islamophobia; pro-Trump sentiments.... This isn’t me whinging about people saying ‘blackboard’ and ‘Happy Christmas’.


there was a clear reference you made in regards to a certain regime in europe in the '30s. you made variations to this remark, like saying "things are written here that could come out of a hardcore BNP supporter" or something like that.

word for word, I don't remember anymore what you really said, but it contained that message, and that was and is a problem.

because, ironically, a lot of the points you mention I don't stand for at all, or in a more nuanced context. As to the interpretation that certain regime gave to all these points, I distance myself completely.

it sounded like the keys to this board were in the hands of neo-nazis, and you would "reclaim" the board by saving it from us.

from then on, I admit, I started to call this behaviour "SJW", as to point out the absurdness of the initial doctrine that lay the foundation for all that happened ever since on this board
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby Elessar » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:17 pm

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Elessar wrote:You’re defining the term backwards though. Surely rather than define it based on my wanting to ‘save’ (I think I used the word ‘protect’, but if I said ‘save’ then so be it) the board, it’s worth looking at the behaviours I wanted to ‘save’ it from? Advocacy of execution of children upon their 18th birthday; claims that it’s fair game to pepper spray 80 year old women because they’re black and therefore probably up to no good; an empassioned plea that we turn every Mosque inside out to see what falls out; anti-immigration and Islamophobia; pro-Trump sentiments.... This isn’t me whinging about people saying ‘blackboard’ and ‘Happy Christmas’.


there was a clear reference you made in regards to a certain regime in europe in the '30s. you made variations to this remark, like saying "things are written here that could come out of a hardcore BNP supporter" or something like that.

word for word, I don't remember anymore what you really said, but it contained that message, and that was and is a problem.

because, ironically, a lot of the points you mention I don't stand for at all, or in a more nuanced context. As to the interpretation that certain regime gave to all these points, I distance myself completely.

it sounded like the keys to this board were in the hands of neo-nazis, and you would "reclaim" the board by saving it from us.

from then on, I admit, I started to call this behaviour "SJW", as to point out the absurdness of the initial doctrine that lay the foundation for all that happened ever since on this board


Mate, you said Muslims who make women wear burkas should be gassed.

I know you have since said you regret that comment and that’s fair enough. I only bring it up to illustrate that comparisons to Nazism (if ever they were made) were based on some reality, far more so than the now infamous Feminazi thread.
 
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby action » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:37 pm

Elessar wrote:Mate, you said Muslims who make women wear burkas should be gassed.

I know you have since said you regret that comment and that’s fair enough. I only bring it up to illustrate that comparisons to Nazism (if ever they were made) were based on some reality, far more so than the now infamous Feminazi thread.


even so, with the most extreme thing I ever said, it still is not a fair comparison, and you know it.

I doubt hitler would say something like "men who force women to wear burka's should be gassed". Hitler gassed children, women, disabled people and people of a certain race. He did not gas macho men who treat their women badly, quite the contrary he expected women to shut their mouths and open their legs.

and I said "anyone", not "muslims" and you know what I maintain what I said. Anyone who violates and humiliates women, including but not limited to forcing women to wear humiliating clothing wear, should be gassed. Not something the nazis stood for, not at all.

my comment, the most extreme I ever made, was and is tasteless at most, but also completely the opposite of what the nazis stood for.
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby Elessar » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:42 pm

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Elessar wrote:Mate, you said Muslims who make women wear burkas should be gassed.

I know you have since said you regret that comment and that’s fair enough. I only bring it up to illustrate that comparisons to Nazism (if ever they were made) were based on some reality, far more so than the now infamous Feminazi thread.


even so, with the most extreme thing I ever said, it still is not a fair comparison, and you know it.

I doubt hitler would say something like "men who force women to wear burka's should be gassed". Hitler gassed children, women, disabled people and people of a certain race. He did not gas macho men who treat their women badly, quite the contrary he expected women to shut their mouths and open their legs.

and I said "anyone", not "muslims" and you know what I maintain what I said. Anyone who violates and humiliates women, including but not limited to forcing women to wear humiliating clothing wear, should be gassed. Not something the nazis stood for, not at all.

my comment, the most extreme I ever made, was and is tasteless at most, but also completely the opposite of what the nazis stood for.


Yeah I mean unless you’re literally talking about the actual Nazis, comparisons will always be slightly imperfect. For a start, the Nazis would probably have been rather fond of the Muslims, sharing as they did a strong dislike for the Jews.

I think that any advocacy for mass execution shares some qualities with the Nazi regime though. The exact nature of those targeted for mass execution isn’t really the point.
 
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby action » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:50 pm

Elessar wrote:Yeah I mean unless you’re literally talking about the actual Nazis, comparisons will always be slightly imperfect. For a start, the Nazis would probably have been rather fond of the Muslims, sharing as they did a strong dislike for the Jews.

I think that any advocacy for mass execution shares some qualities with the Nazi regime though. The exact nature of those targeted for mass execution isn’t really the point.


what I said has nothing to do with mass execution. it's always one person who forces a woman to wear a burqa, not "the mass". One person would be executed: the violator. Not the mass lol.

But I guess by now you know what I mean, so if you want to continue to rip words out of their context, go along. And I will continue to call it SJW bullcrap.
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby JLP » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:01 pm

So who is the one man who forced women to wear burkhas?
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby Elessar » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:14 pm

action wrote:
Elessar wrote:Yeah I mean unless you’re literally talking about the actual Nazis, comparisons will always be slightly imperfect. For a start, the Nazis would probably have been rather fond of the Muslims, sharing as they did a strong dislike for the Jews.

I think that any advocacy for mass execution shares some qualities with the Nazi regime though. The exact nature of those targeted for mass execution isn’t really the point.


what I said has nothing to do with mass execution. it's always one person who forces a woman to wear a burqa, not "the mass". One person would be executed: the violator. Not the mass lol.

But I guess by now you know what I mean, so if you want to continue to rip words out of their context, go along. And I will continue to call it SJW bullcrap.


The other thing is that you’ve posted a few cartoons of what you think SJWs are, and none of the features apply to me (and you know that’s true), so continuing to call me one is a bit silly.
 
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby Elessar » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:39 pm

Sole Survivor wrote:Nope- undue when I know and am aware of the influence, alleged when I don't see any evidence to support the theory. But you keep trying to manipulate whatever I or MP say to suit your own ends, if that's what gets you off. Each to their own, and all that...


Russians indicted over US election hack

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44825345
 
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby action » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:15 pm

JLP wrote:So who is the one man who forced women to wear burkhas?


I dont know
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby action » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:18 pm

Elessar wrote:The other thing is that you’ve posted a few cartoons of what you think SJWs are, and none of the features apply to me (and you know that’s true), so continuing to call me one is a bit silly.


I don't feel the need to apologize. I was having a "fun" moment on that occasion, as we all have from time to time.

If I'm taking intellectual liberties making a blatantly false point, then I guess so do you
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