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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby action » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:32 am

Elessar, are you starting to feel uneasy yet, being on the opposite side of the argument on women's rights?

this is really starting to look awkward. I don't want you to look bad, but if you want to continue it's your call. please tread carefully
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby action » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:34 am

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JLP wrote:Fascinating stuff. Women's rights being defended whilst in another thread, same poster agrees with shutting them up. :lol:


pretty confident I'm at the right side of the argument on this one.

your lack of stance on the burqa speaks volumes.


My stance is simple, I don't care what someone else decides to wear. That is their choice, not mine.


it's not their choice. in most sharia countries, it's the law
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby Elessar » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:34 am

action wrote:Elessar, are you starting to feel uneasy yet, being on the opposite side of the argument on women's rights?

this is really starting to look awkward. I don't want you to look bad, but if you want to continue it's your call. please tread carefully


I posted a video which solely features women talking about this but you'd rather an all-male debate on the subject.

Here it is again:

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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby action » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:34 am

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Elessar wrote:Saudi Arabia is an oppressive, dictatorial regime.


oppressive to women?


Oppressive to many groups including women.

But hey, I spent my first few embryonic weeks there, so don't diss my homeland!


so women don't have free choice then?
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby JLP » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:35 am

Reading the latest on the Boris story, it is being claimed the Tories are doing nothing about Islamaphobia in their party. Pretty ironic that they attack Labour for alleged anti Semitic in their party.
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby Elessar » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:35 am

action wrote:
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My stance is simple, I don't care what someone else decides to wear. That is their choice, not mine.


it's not their choice. in most sharia countries, it's the law


Is the UK, where Boris Johnson is an MP and where Boris Johnson writes a newspaper article in which he mocked British people who wear the burka, a sharia country?
 
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby Elessar » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:37 am

action wrote:
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oppressive to women?


Oppressive to many groups including women.

But hey, I spent my first few embryonic weeks there, so don't diss my homeland!


so women don't have free choice then?


Saudi Arabia is around 1.5% of the global Muslim population.

Saudi Arabia is oppressive.

In Saudi Arabia, Muslim women are forced to wear burkhas (ex-pats aren't).

This does not mean that all women on the planet wearing burkhas are being oppressed.
 
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby action » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:39 am

Elessar wrote:
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My stance is simple, I don't care what someone else decides to wear. That is their choice, not mine.


it's not their choice. in most sharia countries, it's the law


Is the UK, where Boris Johnson is an MP and where Boris Johnson writes a newspaper article in which he mocked British people who wear the burka, a sharia country?


Crossing a border doesn't change the terms in a family and the oppressive behaviour from a man to his wife
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby Elessar » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:39 am

In Saudi Arabia, men who have homosexual sex are stoned.

Homosexual men are oppressed in Saudi Arabia.

They are forced to abstain from homosexual sex.

I choose to abstain from homosexual sex because I am straight.

I am not being oppressed.
 
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby Elessar » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:40 am

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Crossing a border doesn't change the terms in a family and the oppressive behaviour from a man to his wife


Not all Muslim women are married. Not all Muslim women have a family in the country they live in. Some may still choose to wear a burkha.

This is really fucking simple stuff.
 
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby action » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:40 am

Elessar wrote:Saudi Arabia is around 1.5% of the global Muslim population.

Saudi Arabia is oppressive.

In Saudi Arabia, Muslim women are forced to wear burkhas (ex-pats aren't).

This does not mean that all women on the planet wearing burkhas are being oppressed.


sharia law applies in, among others, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Brunei, Qatar, Pakistan, United Arab Emirates, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Sudan and Mauritania (source: google)
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby Elessar » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:42 am

action wrote:
Elessar wrote:Saudi Arabia is around 1.5% of the global Muslim population.

Saudi Arabia is oppressive.

In Saudi Arabia, Muslim women are forced to wear burkhas (ex-pats aren't).

This does not mean that all women on the planet wearing burkhas are being oppressed.


sharia law applies in, among others, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Brunei, Qatar, Pakistan, United Arab Emirates, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Sudan and Mauritania (source: google)


What's your point? We're talking about the UK. We can also talk about Belgium if you like. Neither country has Sharia law.
 
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby action » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:43 am

Elessar wrote:
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Crossing a border doesn't change the terms in a family and the oppressive behaviour from a man to his wife


Not all Muslim women are married. Not all Muslim women have a family in the country they live in. Some may still choose to wear a burkha.

This is really fucking simple stuff.


it's really fucking simple then, to agree that at least "some" women are forced to wear a burqa. To the point, where the burqa itself is symbol of oppression.

It's not uncommon for a state to prohibit symbols of oppression. See germany and the nazi flag (say Hi, Godwin).
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby action » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:44 am

Elessar wrote:
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Elessar wrote:Saudi Arabia is around 1.5% of the global Muslim population.

Saudi Arabia is oppressive.

In Saudi Arabia, Muslim women are forced to wear burkhas (ex-pats aren't).

This does not mean that all women on the planet wearing burkhas are being oppressed.


sharia law applies in, among others, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Brunei, Qatar, Pakistan, United Arab Emirates, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Sudan and Mauritania (source: google)


What's your point? We're talking about the UK. We can also talk about Belgium if you like. Neither country has Sharia law.


My point is, the burqa is a symbol of oppression, and is used that way in all those countries I listed, as such
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby Elessar » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:45 am

action wrote:
it's really fucking simple then, to agree that at least "some" women are forced to wear a burqa. To the point, where the burqa itself is symbol of oppression.

It's not uncommon for a state to prohibit symbols of oppression. See germany and the nazi flag (say Hi, Godwin).


Of course some are forced to.

And some are not.

The problem is not the burkha, the problem is men.

Some men won't let their wives out of the house wearing makeup. Are we going to make makeup compulsory because lack of it is a symbol of oppression?
 
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