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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby JLP » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:21 pm

Good riddance to Britain First.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43387152

However any other organisations should be great exactly the same letterpress racial hatred.
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby Roger » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:30 pm

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There are some lovely people out there.

I note that Jeremy Hunt (until today, the only person I had seen try to question Hawking's scientific validity) posted a half-arsed tribute to him today as well. Given that Hawking was suing Hunt at the time of his death, the best tribute we could pay to him would be to save the NHS.

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/ca ... s-14408746

On a related note, Caius will be an absolute media circus today.
 
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby JLP » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:50 pm

Roger wrote:Image

There are some lovely people out there.

I note that Jeremy Hunt (until today, the only person I had seen try to question Hawking's scientific validity) posted a half-arsed tribute to him today as well. Given that Hawking was suing Hunt at the time of his death, the best tribute we could pay to him would be to save the NHS.

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/ca ... s-14408746

On a related note, Caius will be an absolute media circus today.



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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby icy » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:01 pm

So sad to learn Stephen Hawking passed away. I wont pretend I understood everything the man did, but I learned much from him.
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby Roger » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:14 pm

icy wrote:So sad to learn Stephen Hawking passed away. I wont pretend I understood everything the man did, but I learned much from him.
RIP.


I doubt that anyone with any humility whatsoever would claim to understand everything he did, never mind dismiss it!
 
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby CNB » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:29 pm

I didn’t know that Stephen was diagnosed with ALS at age 21 so it is quite amazing that he lived to age 76!
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby icy » Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:05 pm

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icy wrote:So sad to learn Stephen Hawking passed away. I wont pretend I understood everything the man did, but I learned much from him.
RIP.


I doubt that anyone with any humility whatsoever would claim to understand everything he did, never mind dismiss it!

I will say this, even though you know already. I'm less "smart" than most if not everyone here. I found Hawking's works so engrossing, and vivid.
I will miss what he did and gave to the world.
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby CNB » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:28 am

The Republicans in America are such liars! Conor Lamb, a Democrat, won a barn burner congressional special election in southeast Pennsylvania yesterday in a Republican district that Trump won by 20 points in 2016. They were calling him a Nancy Pelosi sheep in TV ads. Today they are completely reversing the story that there were two conservatives running because they can’t admit defeat.
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby musicalprostitute » Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:50 am

icy wrote:So sad to learn Stephen Hawking passed away. I wont pretend I understood everything the man did, but I learned much from him.
RIP.


I don't think there are many out there who claim to understand everything he theorised - so you are not alone.

I think he was a sweet soul with a good sense of humour. But his theories? Well, they are just theories. And I take them with a pinch of salt, as I do all theories.
 
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby musicalprostitute » Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:53 am

Good to see other countries backing the UK regards Russia. Just a shame that one of our own political leaders lacks the same faith; Corbyn is an absolute disgrace and has proven beyond any doubt that he just does not have the leader qualities needed to run and take care of a country like the UK...good job he will never have that chance.
 
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby Roger » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:15 pm

Cell theory (that organisms are made up of cells)
Germ theory (that some illnesses are caused by microorganisms)
Theory of evolution (that heritable characteristics change over successive generations)
Theory of relativity (an improvement on classic Newtonian mechanics, applicable to a wider range of situations eg astrophysics)
Climate change theory (that the climate is changing due to mankind’s influence)

That’s a hell of a lot of molecules of sodium chloride.

Or maybe it isn’t, if we also dismiss atomic theory (that matter is made up of atoms).
 
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby musicalprostitute » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:20 pm

Anyway, back to the important things in the news: sad to hear the passing of 80's TV legend Jim Bowen - Bullseye was a real staple of my childhood Sundays. Bless him.
 
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby The__KingOfRhye » Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:19 pm

musicalprostitute wrote: But his theories? Well, they are just theories. And I take them with a pinch of salt, as I do all theories.


The problem with saying something in science is "just a theory" is that "theory" doesn't mean in science what it means the way people use it in common everyday speech, which is often something like "unproven guess" or "hypothesis". A theory is actually stronger than a law in science. A scientific law says what happens; a theory explains how and why something happens. So, we have things like the theory of relativity, which is actually one of the best-supported theories ever. General relativity is basically a theory of gravity, yet no one says gravity is "just a theory." Well, except for a few of those wacky flat-earth people. Nothing is accepted as a theory unless what it predicts is observable and repeatable.

I think a lot of the stuff Hawking came up with is not even really a theory yet, he made some predictions and such that we're not able to confirm yet, like "Hawking radiation". Honestly, I don't know enough about that kind of thing to know whether I should "take it with a grain of salt" or not. I read a few articles about his work in the last few days, and I pretty much understood the first few paragraphs, but I got totally lost after that. :lol:
 
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby Roger » Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:36 pm

The__KingOfRhye wrote:The problem with saying something in science is "just a theory" is that "theory" doesn't mean in science what it means the way people use it in common everyday speech, which is often something like "unproven guess" or "hypothesis". A theory is actually stronger than a law in science. A scientific law says what happens; a theory explains how and why something happens. So, we have things like the theory of relativity, which is actually one of the best-supported theories ever. General relativity is basically a theory of gravity, yet no one says gravity is "just a theory." Well, except for a few of those wacky flat-earth people. Nothing is accepted as a theory unless what it predicts is observable and repeatable.

I think a lot of the stuff Hawking came up with is not even really a theory yet, he made some predictions and such that we're not able to confirm yet, like "Hawking radiation". Honestly, I don't know enough about that kind of thing to know whether I should "take it with a grain of salt" or not. I read a few articles about his work in the last few days, and I pretty much understood the first few paragraphs, but I got totally lost after that. :lol:


Well put.

Scientists have been guilty over the years of poorly communicating their work to a wider audience, which leads to this kind of misunderstanding and mistrust, which in turn leads to climate change denialism, anti-vaccination and all the other anti-intellectualism movements we see so much of. Hawking, for his part, was a force for good in making science accessible by explaining things in terms that people of non-scientific backgrounds could understand.

It’s worth bearing in mind of course that in recent years Hawking expressed numerous political opinions, and in much the same way that pro-Zionists might now pour scorn on Noam Chomsky’s pioneering work in neurolinguistics, some who disagree with Hawking’s political views might now think they’re experts on the physics of black holes.
 
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Re: The New News Thread.

Postby Roger » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:24 pm

The__KingOfRhye wrote:
I think a lot of the stuff Hawking came up with is not even really a theory yet, he made some predictions and such that we're not able to confirm yet, like "Hawking radiation". Honestly, I don't know enough about that kind of thing to know whether I should "take it with a grain of salt" or not. I read a few articles about his work in the last few days, and I pretty much understood the first few paragraphs, but I got totally lost after that. :lol:


It’s potentially of vital importance to the future of the mankind though.

I know it’s fiction, but ‘Interstellar’ is based on sound scientific principles (with the help of Kip Thorne), including the idea that information can escape a black hole (which Hawking originally believed was impossible but later changed his mind - because that’s what science does, it adapts to growing evidence).

Incidentally, when I first watched Interstellar I enjoyed it but didn’t fully appreciate it. Then I watched 2001: A Space Odyssey, and it became quite clear that Interstellar is basically a spiritual sequel.
 
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