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Re: Michael Jackson - Web Of Deception & Murray's Trial

Postby ice on fire » Fri Jan 07, 2011 2:45 am

The media I guess is at the crux of the matter. If Micheal wasn't famous, they would not pay so much attention.
 
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Re: Michael Jackson - Web Of Deception & Murray's Trial

Postby Innuendoes » Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:04 am

ice on fire wrote:The media I guess is at the crux of the matter. If Micheal wasn't famous, they would not pay so much attention.

Of course they wouldn't, but if it was my brother, I'd be there. If my mother was alive, she'd be there. If it was my father, I'd be there.
 
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Re: Michael Jackson - Web Of Deception & Murray's Trial

Postby Innuendoes » Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:41 am

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ice on fire wrote:Elessar, wasn't there at least the smallest of chances CPR might have worked :eh:? I think everyone who works in the health care system needs to know CPR...and to brush up on it more than every 5 years. When I babysat I took a course every year...and plan to do the same again sometime soon.


I think I gave a percentage likelihood in my post.


If there was lividity in the body when the med techs got there, threre is no way in the world he could have been revived because he had been dead a long time, as has been reported by his doctor, Steven M. Hoefflin, M.D., F.I.C.S., F.A.C.S.
 
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Re: Michael Jackson - Web Of Deception & Murray's Trial

Postby ice on fire » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:32 am

Could you explain what lividity means Inny?
 
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Re: Michael Jackson - Web Of Deception & Murray's Trial

Postby RogerMeadowstailor » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:53 am

Lilli.This might explain it

Livor mortis or postmortem lividity (Latin: livor—bluish color, mortis—of death) or hypostasis (Greek: sediment), one of the signs of death, is a settling of the blood in the lower (dependent) portion of the body, causing a purplish red discoloration of the skin: when the heart is no longer agitating the blood, heavy red blood cells sink through the serum by action of gravity. This discoloration does not occur in the areas of the body that are in contact with the ground or another object, as the capillaries are compressed.
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Re: Michael Jackson - Web Of Deception & Murray's Trial

Postby ice on fire » Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:58 am

Thanks for that.
 
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Re: Michael Jackson - Web Of Deception & Murray's Trial

Postby Simon » Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:49 am

Why are you shocked about Michael's family? Their son, their brother, their father was killed. Are you saying a family shouldn't go to the courtroom to watch the trial of a person that is most likely the cause of their loved one's death? Trust me, it happens every day, all over the USA with other families. Why not this one?

I didn't say shocked. I am just amazed that they seem to show up every day something is talked about concerning this. As far as I realize they are sure the doctor is to blame. So they do not come to see the truth come out, since they believe they already know that.
I am not criticising them. I am just amazed... because as long as they keep doing this, they cannot really get over it.
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Re: Michael Jackson - Web Of Deception & Murray's Trial

Postby ice on fire » Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:24 am

Hearing what happened as painful as it is, may oddly enough help them. If they suddenly stopped going, that when I would have more concerns. Plus the appearances by them, "help" keep this in the news.
 
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Re: Michael Jackson - Web Of Deception & Murray's Trial

Postby Simon » Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:30 am

Well, I assume that no one really bothers anymore (apart from the Jackson fans and his family of course).
I am still sad when I read that he is dead. It still doesn't really make sense to me. He's been always there in one way or another. And I am not a Jackson fan, I just like some of his music.
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Re: Michael Jackson - Web Of Deception & Murray's Trial

Postby Elessar » Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:31 pm

Innuendoes wrote:
Elessar wrote:
ice on fire wrote:Elessar, wasn't there at least the smallest of chances CPR might have worked :eh:? I think everyone who works in the health care system needs to know CPR...and to brush up on it more than every 5 years. When I babysat I took a course every year...and plan to do the same again sometime soon.


I think I gave a percentage likelihood in my post.


If there was lividity in the body when the med techs got there, threre is no way in the world he could have been revived because he had been dead a long time, as has been reported by his doctor, Steven M. Hoefflin, M.D., F.I.C.S., F.A.C.S.


That's true - I meant when Murray attempted it. Even in the best of circumstances, CPR only works in 10% of cases. If someone's heart as stopped, you need to defibrillate them, or give them a drug to counteract the drug that has stopped their heart. The fact that Murray went straight for CPR, a procedure that he didn't even know how to do, is crazy! He should have injected Jackson with adrenaline, and got a defibrillator. He was a privately employed cardiologist - he should certainly have had a defibrillator available, especially as he was giving Jackson drugs that can stop the heart.
 
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Re: Michael Jackson - Web Of Deception & Murray's Trial

Postby Elessar » Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:34 am

The Judge has ruled that Conrad Murray WILL have to stand trial for manslaughter.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12168611

There are also reports that his medical license has been suspended as a condition of his bail.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/11/dr-conrad ... cal-board/
 
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Re: Michael Jackson - Web Of Deception & Murray's Trial

Postby Sir Didymus » Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:50 am

I stumbled upon a youtube account tonight dedicated to Michael's children - with "leaked" footage of them dancing about on webcams. It was linked to their interview on Oprah which I only heard about this afternoon.

Bloody hell, the internet is a really fucked up place.
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Re: Michael Jackson - Web Of Deception & Murray's Trial

Postby ice on fire » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:05 am

Tacky to say the least, is it even legal? I think how hard he tried to protect his kids in life :(.
 
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Re: Michael Jackson - Web Of Deception & Murray's Trial

Postby Elessar » Sat May 19, 2012 11:32 pm

Woah, is this big news?!

http://members.calbar.ca.gov/fal/Member/Detail/39406

Or is it just because he's retired?
 
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Re: Michael Jackson - Web Of Deception & Murray's Trial

Postby Innuendoes » Sun May 20, 2012 1:49 am

Elessar wrote:Woah, is this big news?!

http://members.calbar.ca.gov/fal/Member/Detail/39406

Or is it just because he's retired?


No clue what he's up to but I understand or heard about a year ago that he admitted to setting Michael up in those pedophile cases.

That page says:

Actions Affecting Eligibility to Practice Law
Effective Date Description Case Number Resulting Status
Disciplinary and Related Actions

This member has no public record of discipline.

Administrative Actions:
7/1/2011 Suspended, failed to pay Bar membr. fees Not Eligible To Practice Law
7/1/2011 Admin Inactive/MCLE noncompliance Not Eligible To Practice Law


The only attorneys I've ever personally known still kept their license until they died.
 
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