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Re: Odd song placements on albums

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:11 pm
by Peace Loving Guy
There’s a difference between not liking songs and thinking they’re in the wrong order on an album. Regarding Party and Kashoggi’s Ship, they work as a unique opening on a Queen album, because they are not designed to shout “Hey, we’re back with a new bigger and bolder album” but more ironically “we’re a has-been band, we’ve had a good run, but now we’re hungover, washed up, over the hill, goodbye” kind of vibe. The two tracks could only either go at the front of the album or at the very end, but if it had been the very last Queen album they probably rightfully decided Was it all worth it should be the final Queen song, (subsequently “copied” by the The Show Must Go On as the last Queen song).

Re: Odd song placements on albums

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:39 am
by Old Man
You should take into consideration, that most Queen albums were compiled for vinyl only. And vinyl had and still has the problem, that the soundquality gets worse from the beginning to the end of each side. So you put songs, that need clarity and power at the beginning. And songs with less details and power go to the end of a side. This may explain many song placements. "Mustapha" or "We will Rock you" or even "Staying Power" had the most "punch" when placed at the beginning of an album side, where you have the best sound.

Re: Odd song placements on albums

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:35 am
by Black Wings
I don't know if this will count...Classic Queen, after Stone Cold Crazy there is One Year Of Love. And after Tie Your Mother Down there is The Miracle.

Re: Odd song placements on albums

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:05 pm
by Frank
Black Wings wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:35 am I don't know if this will count...Classic Queen, after Stone Cold Crazy there is One Year Of Love. And after Tie Your Mother Down there is The Miracle.
Personally, I like those placements. Whenever there is great contrast between two songs that are next to each other it helps keep me interested. I think of this the same way as I think of Death On Two Legs leading right into the light and fluffy Lazing On a Sunday Afternoon.

Re: Odd song placements on albums

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:50 pm
by Black Wings
Frank wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:05 pm
Black Wings wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:35 am I don't know if this will count...Classic Queen, after Stone Cold Crazy there is One Year Of Love. And after Tie Your Mother Down there is The Miracle.
Personally, I like those placements. Whenever there is great contrast between two songs that are next to each other it helps keep me interested. I think of this the same way as I think of Death On Two Legs leading right into the light and fluffy Lazing On a Sunday Afternoon.
It does prove how Queen went from one genre to the next, even years apart. It wasn't until I owned classic Queen that I heard One Year Of Love...and that song surprised me so much, because it's one of their most dated sounding songs, IMO. To have that follow Stone Cold Crazy, well it was eye and ear opening for sure.

Re: Odd song placements on albums

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:26 pm
by Dali
Young Music Fan wrote: Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:31 amI totally agree, Party has the most pathetic drum sound to start an album.
I strongly disagree. Granted, the drums don't sound great, but what a song! Punchy drumming, great solo, fabulous harmonies, key and tempo changes, self-referential lyrics and a joke or two. It's like all the Queen trademarks in a little over two and a half minutes. It's honestly my favourite album-opener.

V.

Re: Odd song placements on albums

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:34 pm
by Leigh Burne
I honestly really like "Khashoggi's Ship", but "Party" does nothing for me.

Re: Odd song placements on albums

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:38 pm
by Dali
Leigh Burne wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:34 pm I honestly really like "Khashoggi's Ship", but "Party" does nothing for me.
Try it with a good pair of headphones, volume way up... listen for all the little details you've missed. It's really amazing!

But that's just my 2 cents.

V.

Re: Odd song placements on albums

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:26 pm
by Old Man
Dali wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:38 pm
Leigh Burne wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:34 pm I honestly really like "Khashoggi's Ship", but "Party" does nothing for me.
Try it with a good pair of headphones, volume way up... listen for all the little details you've missed. It's really amazing!

But that's just my 2 cents.

V.
If a song is good, it's not depending on the sound-system or the arrangement. You hardly can kill a good song, that is always recognisable, when it's just a demo.
In the 60s and 70s people listened to all those songs on FM-radio or little mono-tape recorders. And you could easily tell, whether a song was great. It was years after the release of the first four Queen albums, that I could listen to them in stereo on a good system. That was impressing of course, but I knew already before, that the songs were great.

I think the Miracle album might have worked better with the b-sides like "Stealing", "My Life has been saved" and even "Hijack my Heart" instead of "Party", "Rain must fall" or "My baby does me"

Re: Odd song placements on albums

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:46 pm
by Kes
I know one intended title for the album, while it was being recorded, was "The Invisable Men"