Background story of Hangman

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Background story of Hangman

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Hi! Since I’ve been downloading and fooling around with Queen bootlegs, I came across Hangman! It’s a great rock song, totally alike Queens first two albums. I don’t know the background, I suppose it’s a live-only song, and it appears to have only been performed in China and/or Japan. What do you know?

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My first stop is always Queenpedia:

https://www.queenpedia.com/index.php?title=Hangman

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In the 70s and 80s, when bootlegs were ultra rare, "Hangman" was always a kind of holy grail for collectors, a highly mysterious song. Some bootlegs listed it as two songs, labelling the second half as "Shag out".

From today's point of view it is just one of their earliest songs, which they soon dropped, when they had better material. And I can imagine them having fun, when they re-discovered it in Japan, where they suddenly felt the big success for the first time.

I think the lyrics are not really good. Maybe they felt the same and forgot about the song. Queen were also often compared to Led Zeppelin then, who had a song called "Gallows pole" with the line "Hangman, hangman, hold it a little while". And maybe "Queen" wanted to avoid any comparison with "Hangman, hangman, waiting for me", as the Zep song is definitely stronger.

Anyway, it's a nice piece of Queen history.

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China??????

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The question of the day however- is IF they actually recorded it?

I know that a certain collector of infamy claims to have acquired a long lost acetate of the song but is there any truth to this? Has anybody ever heard it? Has the band confirmed or denied that this exists and that they did indeed record it?
Also, with the collectors unfortunate death, what has become of the acetate?

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I protest use of the word infamy

The band (via the archivist) have said there is no tape of a recording

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What he said!

Check out the latest edition of Queen Pod where Greg Brooks talks about it. He talks about John Stewart claiming to own an acetate, but points out an acetate would only be produced if it were to be released as a single (or would be included on the acetate of the full album) and he's yet to find any evidence of it on any medium in the archive, let alone as a potential single.

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Generic username wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 5:51 am I protest use of the word infamy

The band (via the archivist) have said there is no tape of a recording
Um ok..why do you protest on the use of word infamy? I think its fairly accurate especially given the info that you have just imparted.
WeeMann wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 6:38 am What he said!

Check out the latest edition of Queen Pod where Greg Brooks talks about it. He talks about John Stewart claiming to own an acetate, but points out an acetate would only be produced if it were to be released as a single (or would be included on the acetate of the full album) and he's yet to find any evidence of it on any medium in the archive, let alone as a potential single.
So the conclusion is that the collector was full of crap and that the what John Stewart claimed he owned is completely untrue?
What a shame that this most awesome song of Queen never had a studio recording. It would have been a brilliant track. Anyone know why the band never got round to recording it? Its almost singular and unique in the fact that it was a original song played live semi regularly but never recorded, to my knowledge?

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All I can really say, is that John S. Stuart was a particularly dedicated, respected and knowledgeable Queen fan and collector.

I communicated with him a couple of times, a total oracle of information about the band, and it's quite true he had things in his collection that even the band didn't know existed.

It's easy to talk ill of the dead, especially when they're not here to defend themselves, but if it's not known something like Hangman exists, then it's not known, until proved one way or the other. The band didn't know any of the Wreckage and Sour Milk Sea stuff still lived until John gave it to them, on a plate..

Either way, the Queen Community is worse off without him being in it.

I should point out that him and Greg weren't the best of mates, but maybe should have been.

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Jobe wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 6:44 am
Generic username wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 5:51 am I protest use of the word infamy

The band (via the archivist) have said there is no tape of a recording
Um ok..why do you protest on the use of word infamy? I think its fairly accurate especially given the info that you have just imparted.
WeeMann wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 6:38 am What he said!

Check out the latest edition of Queen Pod where Greg Brooks talks about it. He talks about John Stewart claiming to own an acetate, but points out an acetate would only be produced if it were to be released as a single (or would be included on the acetate of the full album) and he's yet to find any evidence of it on any medium in the archive, let alone as a potential single.
So the conclusion is that the collector was full of crap and that the what John Stewart claimed he owned is completely untrue?
What a shame that this most awesome song of Queen never had a studio recording. It would have been a brilliant track. Anyone know why the band never got round to recording it? Its almost singular and unique in the fact that it was a original song played live semi regularly but never recorded, to my knowledge?
I think calling him infamous and full of crap is a little disingenuous. Without it being examined properly we don't know what he owned (and I certainly don't know the story behind it, so I'm not going to add fuel to that fire). I had a little contact with John and he struck me as a friendly, honest and passionate fan.

The only thing we can be certain of is that there is nothing supporting it in the archive according to the man who knows.

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